Yeah well that's the thing... this price represents something *that* far below market value. Not even talking about retail value here, but market value...
Well anyway, a good deal for whoever takes advantage.
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Yeah well that's the thing... this price represents something *that* far below market value. Not even talking about retail value here, but market value...
Well anyway, a good deal for whoever takes advantage.
Others retailers are doing deals as well..Amazon for example if u buy a x360 in october then you'll get GOW and Viva pinata for free....These Xbots are all CRAZY with advertising (tell a good neighbor)! Let's be skeptical here......
Sounds like the Europe fiasco we're they (dealers) lowered the prices on the X360 and MS keeps like its coming from them...Yeah...right!
Hmm... Fry's may be using the Xbox bundle as a loss leader. Usually the product vendor does not like deep discount like this (as it cheapens the console brand and the game price).
But at such price, I think they probably need MS's clearance for heavy discount (Might even be a one-off deal between Frys and MS). I'm a little surprised that MS approves it or allow it to happen. The shopping season is just around the corner.
If they really want to raise sales numbers, we may see other retailers doing similar promotion later (in pockets but not together). So Sony won't react aggressively immediately like they did in Japan.
But at such price, I think they probably need MS's clearance for heavy discount (Might even be a one-off deal between Frys and MS). I'm a little surprised that MS approves it or allow it to happen. The shopping season is just around the corner.
If they really want to raise sales numbers, we may see other retailers doing similar promotion later (in pockets but not together). So Sony won't react aggressively immediately like they did in Japan.
I can't find that Amazon deal anywhere (or any amazon bundle)
We will definitely see bundles going forward as the games are aging and as Acert said, the system is already costing less to produce.
Let me open up the issue a little more...
2 consoles are being released (Wii&PS3) for the holiday season...One at the lower end of the spectrum and the other on the high end. X360 somwhere middleish..So, they need a stragety to get heard and get gamers attention from the hoopla of new consoles....Is bundles like these the way to go?
2 consoles are being released (Wii&PS3) for the holiday season...One at the lower end of the spectrum and the other on the high end. X360 somwhere middleish..So, they need a stragety to get heard and get gamers attention from the hoopla of new consoles....Is bundles like these the way to go?
Why is it a fiasco in this case?
It was pretty well established at $400 the 360 was a lot for a console, especially historically. Once you saturate the hardcore gamers, who will buy it without many notable software, you need to drive sales through value (price, bundles, etc), killer apps, general software library/appeal to a wide demographic, and the "IT" factor (i.e. cultural phenom).
Bundles and lowering prices is typical. MS has already stated they don't plan to break even until 2008 (kind of the byproduct of little continual Xbox "issues" and no sales as the platform was kind of unplugged and the typical expenses of the launch of a new platform).
I guess I see it as the platform was already expensive, they have made some cost reduction moves already but have yet to hit on the big one (Q1 2007 move to 65nm which should lead to nearly half as large chips and better yields for Xenon and Xenos), so they are in position to make some minor price cuts and begin bundling.
I guess I have seen so many bundles through the years (every gen, including the NES, SNES/Genesis, N64/PS1/SS, PS2/Xbox/GCN) that it is old hat. It is a way to increase value without necessarily incurring the same cost. Adding $180 of software isn't costing MS $100, let alone $180. So which is better for MS: a $100 price cut or a $30-$50 bundle (if that)?
Of course in the long run price will be more relevant than value for many consumers. Some may argue that is now--ultimately 2006 sales will tell the story. If MS can sell their 10M then they are right, if they hit 8M they were wrong. But overall I see this as "business as usual" in regards to market placement and pricing.
IMO no. I say take the gains made in the minor price reduction and meet Nintendo at $249 with the Core. Nintendo will be lacking a depth of software compared to MS and there is no doubt that MS will have better looking games. MS cannot match the Wii-mote, but titles like Gears of War and Viva Pinata and the back library of next gen software could be compelling for some--it would also put MS in a good position of the Wii-mote faulters some with some doubts/bad 1st gen implimentations.
At the top end the PS3 will have horrible shortages and is expensive here in the states. Moving down a little in cash won't steal any real consumers ($100 on the other hand may); but some good bundles could do the trick. A Premium with PGR3/Kameo/PDZ with games GOW coming out could be tempting to a lot of people unable to buy a PS3 but looking for a next gen fix "Now!"
Not that it matters, but I want to see both consoles move to 65nm (less power, less heat, more refined hardware/longer life) and see how the software shapes up some. We should start seeing the first wave of real next gen titles in late 2007 and a preview of 2008 titles, built from the ground up from day 1 with full dev cycles on the hardware, in mid-late 2007 as well. Things like Sony's online network, KB/MS support, MS's new controller, publisher support, etc will be more well known as well as how devs are getting into the consoles. Not to mention the back libraries of really good games should be affordable... that with cheaper consoles ($199 + some AAA $30 games) is a good time for me to pick a console. Not much MS or Sony could do right now to convince me to jump on board. Nintendo missed the boat at $249 for me as well.
If true, it's more to compete with Wii and PS2 for price sensitive consumers.
PS3 will remain in short supply, so it's mostly a non-issue for MS.
The other possible explanation, if done on a larger scale, is MS is trying to get onto the "Top X Christmas present sold" list for buzz ?
Once again, Acert and I seem to share a brain (sucks to be him).
The Core SKU is best price dropped. The sooner MS can make that SKU a first class citizen, the better. The only way it can do that is by giving it a killer feature: price. $250 is reasonable for 1 year after launch.
The Premium SKU is already cheaper than the PS3 and stands a better chance at turning heads with pack-ins. Maybe a second controller? MS Points? MS games? I think they could do quite a bit without increasing cost much. They can't pack in many games or they'll lose game sales. They can't pack in much hardware because accessories sell for profit and each costs a fair amount to produce. MS Points are undoubtedly the most attractive one for MS, as they encourage that people go onto Live and get used to getting content from it. In the long run, it'll potentially pay for itself.
The Core SKU is best price dropped. The sooner MS can make that SKU a first class citizen, the better. The only way it can do that is by giving it a killer feature: price. $250 is reasonable for 1 year after launch.
The Premium SKU is already cheaper than the PS3 and stands a better chance at turning heads with pack-ins. Maybe a second controller? MS Points? MS games? I think they could do quite a bit without increasing cost much. They can't pack in many games or they'll lose game sales. They can't pack in much hardware because accessories sell for profit and each costs a fair amount to produce. MS Points are undoubtedly the most attractive one for MS, as they encourage that people go onto Live and get used to getting content from it. In the long run, it'll potentially pay for itself.
If that is not an official MS bundle, what makes this thread different from spamming?
I mean, the threads advertising "cheap" mobile phones have been locked and deleted immediately.
Is it ok to post links to shops selling stuff cheap here?
This is a technical forum after all.
I mean, the threads advertising "cheap" mobile phones have been locked and deleted immediately.
Is it ok to post links to shops selling stuff cheap here?
This is a technical forum after all.
It was for either/or, and it seems it was a short-run offer. It still stands, but in altered form: $50 off Madden 07, Oblivion, or Lego Star Wars II with the purchase of "an Xbox 360," though they pretty much just point to the Premium package.
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They already are, right now in Canada the standard Premium pack at futureshop for $499 includes PGR3, 1250 Marketplace points, and a 3month XBLive subscription.
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I'm sure if you try hard enough, you can see the difference between these threads, and besides threads like these have existed here at Beyond3d always.
Just an example.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/search.php?searchid=336272
But hey I can understand how this thread especially made you upset.
Yeah, there's been threads like this in the past, it just suddenly stroke me as odd and as a straight out advertising message.
Nothing to do with being specifically an xbox in question.
Still, as the discussion is continuing in a general manner about bundles, it might be ok.
Nothing to do with being specifically an xbox in question.
Still, as the discussion is continuing in a general manner about bundles, it might be ok.
Omg!!!
Thank for sharing this interesting bit of info.
Oh and for your information Xbox360 software sales have been great(this for your comment about how games are "sitting on the shelves")
Well if something got me to buy Xbox360 it would be this bundle, however being a student I can't go out throwing money out of the window so I have to pass and keep on saving til next fall when MGS4 arrives, then I'll get to next-gen gaming. Someday when I have a job I'll buy Xbox360 aswell.
Thank for sharing this interesting bit of info.
Oh and for your information Xbox360 software sales have been great(this for your comment about how games are "sitting on the shelves")
So "Xbots" is acceptable in this forum.I guess so is sonybots.I'll keep that in mind...
FYI, neither is fine and it has been sanctioned in the past (temp-ban for somebody who used it repeatedly just yesterday). Just don't expect the mods to spend their entire day in front of the PC. Afterall, we're doing this in our free time.
BTW, just a little suggestion, be respectful of your fellow posters, that goes both ways.
To me, this doesn't sound like it has come from Microsoft...
DR and SR are both mature rated games... All the bundles Microsoft have done up to this point (AFAIK) have all been optional mature rated content. Down here for example, you get a choice of PDZ,Kameo,PGR or DOA4 with a 360.
A big chunk of the sub-$400us market are parents looking for a suitable product for their children, this bundle is completely inappropriate for that (significant) market.
The logic doesn't work. Sure, selling the system cheap is fine, but including your current three 'big ticket' games, the ones a new buyer is most likely to pick up? That really doesn't make a huge amount of sense. And Microsoft have repeatedly said they premium bundle would not have it's price lowered.
DR and SR are both mature rated games... All the bundles Microsoft have done up to this point (AFAIK) have all been optional mature rated content. Down here for example, you get a choice of PDZ,Kameo,PGR or DOA4 with a 360.
A big chunk of the sub-$400us market are parents looking for a suitable product for their children, this bundle is completely inappropriate for that (significant) market.
The logic doesn't work. Sure, selling the system cheap is fine, but including your current three 'big ticket' games, the ones a new buyer is most likely to pick up? That really doesn't make a huge amount of sense. And Microsoft have repeatedly said they premium bundle would not have it's price lowered.
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