Yes, and I don't believe Sony will do the devs' QA for them. During the launch of Cyberpunk, a dev came out and shed some light on the patches and game certification and mentioned there was basically nothing from the QA side. Nothing about how a game should run, its resolution, IQ, or anything of the sort. It was mostly stuff related to accessibility, security features, OS compliance, and a few other things. Almost nothing about QA and if Sony did it in the past, they stopped a long time ago and I don't see how they could come to a dev and go, "this isn't good enough" nor did I ever hear them of doing such a thing because we've had broken games since time immemorial.
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There's several layers of QA.
Internal studio
Publisher
then platform.
back when I was pushing through their @Home platform, I was given feedback on performance etc. Mainly bugs. but the most at what was looked at was localization etc. Each area has QA looking at different things.
I was given feedback, but I was never explicitly told to fix things or it wouldn't ship. But Sony does have the final say, as they are responsible for cert. They have to ensure patches are not killing their user base, and we aren't injecting code to mine bit coin or harvesting user data we should not be etc. They also want to avoid another hot coffee moment where developers are placing content in their game hidden that is not part of their rating.
You know a lot more about this than I do, but yeah, what you're saying lines up perfectly with what I read over the years. I honestly haven't heard of them once blocking a game over quality or requiring certain performance metrics to be met. That they give feedback is one thing, but that they straight-up tell devs, nah, this isn't up to par with what we want is a different matter.
I can't imagine that sitting well with developers either if the platform holder started to police the quality of their work.
They absolutely did, right up until PS360 era for sure. One of the most famous that was public was MS's mandate that all games on XB360 had to be 720p minimum in HD mode, and pretty sure there was some AA requirement on that too. It was repealed...
One huge benefit consoles had over other platforms was the platform holder could, and did, ensure what titles were licensed and so controlled the quality of titles on their platform. this didn't mean all games were faultless, but it did ensure a certain quality standard with fewer bugs and less issues. They have largely abandoned this and thrown the doors wide open. The upside of this is more content - check out the copious indie dross on PS Store for example. The downside is zero standards on title quality and a reliance on caveat emptor, but without the generous (and necessary!) refund policy of Steam.
I know personally one dev who tried to get a game on PS3. They got it on Europe but not the US due to a difficult-to-replicate multiplayer bug and SCEA refused to pass it, nor did they provide any help with solving the issue. Console development used to be hard and devs very much did crash against the platform holders, and it was highly contentious. However, they had the market that you had to sell to, versus PC which was (believed to be) riddled with piracy. Hence it was just something you put up, kowtowing down to the ridiculous console company demands.
We have the same now with Apple and Google. They can and do refuse to allow titles.
So long as these platforms are closed, the platform holders has 100% control over everything that appears on it. If it's a pokey little platform, devs will just ignore them as more trouble than it's worth. If it's a major market and necessary for the devs to turn a profit, the devs just suck it up out of necessity.
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Yea as competition heats up friction comes down. As you don't want to be in a situation where a developer feels they can't get across the line fast enough with company A, so they just release on company B instead.
The dynamics of the market has indeed changed, so much of what we discuss in the past is no longer applicable in the modern day, though technically they could if they still wanted to. The idea that you could withhold a release, and the studio has run out of money for instance, means the game never sees the light of day. But that was the bar when we couldn't patch games. Today with patching, you can run hard until you're out of money and you budget for a specific window. The platform holders have a lot more lenience knowing that you can return to patch it later.
davis.anthony
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I'm surprised someone with the reputation that Sony has, in terms of quality of software has allowed such piss poor PSSR results to be released in games, on what is a pretty big thing for them in terms of technology.
I think DLSS has the same problem with blurring the grass.
davis.anthony
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I'm not talking about specifics, I'm talking about in general.
Sony and their games have a reputation for quality but PSSR so far seems well below their standards.
Expecting a few issues is fine, but issues in pretty much every game, losing to FSR2 and having some games patch PSSR out in favour or competing upscalers is not a good look.
It has minor issues in most games and major issues in a handful. Overall, it seems pretty decent. Every upscaler has small problems here and there, including DLSS. DLSS, however, has no severe problem game such as Jedi Survivor or Silent Hill 2.
Marvel Rivals out on PS5 Dec 6, PS5 Pro enhancements detailed
Fight your Rivals with 33 iconic heroes at launch.
blog.playstation.com
Thanks to the powerful GPU capabilities and the new PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) technology, Marvel Rivals introduces a new Pro Mode on the PS5 Pro. This mode targets a stable 60 FPS and deliver higher 4K resolutions. In addition to Lumen Global Illumination, it also features support Lumen Reflections, offering more immersive and dynamic lighting effects for an enhanced visual experience. PS5 Pro also offers higher resolutions in 120 FPS High Frame Rate Mode.
Marvels using PSSR. Yikes? Previously PC-only Lumen reflections also..
Blade Brown
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Here’s a game nobody seems to be looking at with its PS5 pro and PSSR implementation using UE5…The first descendant. Thought this post was interesting vs FSR3 at Resetera...
www.resetera.com
Here are their patch notes just for the sake of it.
All games with PS5 Pro enhancements
The First Descendant PS5 Pro SS * Perfomance Mode 120Hz frame generation + PSSR PS5 (FSR 3) vs. PS5 pro(PSSR) PS5 SS * Perfomance Mode 120Hz FSR3 + Frame Generation
www.resetera.com
Here are their patch notes just for the sake of it.
Metal Snake Eater
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Space Marine 2 Performance with the PS5 PRO Patch
the performance still drops but judging from the video the PRO is a bit better
the performance still drops but judging from the video the PRO is a bit better
So one of the three pillars of PS5's justification is now just being switched off as a bad idea? Would love DF to reach out to Cerny and get his perspective. Why isn't it living up t the promise and how is that going to change?
Also how does this compare to DLSS version 1? IIRC it was only available for a very limited number of games that had been trained, so limited in selection but higher quality and worth having when available. PSSR currently sounds like the worst upscaling tech ever, with more egregious faults than any other system which, despite their issues, were at least net gains (in some areas).
Also how does this compare to DLSS version 1? IIRC it was only available for a very limited number of games that had been trained, so limited in selection but higher quality and worth having when available. PSSR currently sounds like the worst upscaling tech ever, with more egregious faults than any other system which, despite their issues, were at least net gains (in some areas).
Blade Brown
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I mean, if you’re a fanboy internet troll, that would be the way to look at it. Or, you could look at it as having faults like any other upscaler and bad implementations are being switched off. Even the “holy grail” Dlss had issues in Indiana Jones that needed to be fixed. Console has been out one month, nobody is giving up on the tech lol.
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