TBH, I've seen videos that show both games in a far, better light! Wouldn't read too much into this comparison.I also find it hard to believe that YouTube compression butchers the image quality in one game but complements it for the other one.
TBH, I've seen videos that show both games in a far, better light! Wouldn't read too much into this comparison.I also find it hard to believe that YouTube compression butchers the image quality in one game but complements it for the other one.
Which one of the two games looks better?
Side by side, direct comparrison I would say watchdogs.
Though prolly cyberpunk is more fun to play
This gen of console is mid range pc hardware. Pound sand to your hearts desire if you don’t like hearing that.
Like every other generation, 2nd and 3rd gen games will benefit from a mature toolset but the hardware itself is midrange parts.
Mid gen, it’ll be updated with the latest mid range parts. Yay.
3080 in a typical float : integer workload of 2:1 would be more like 20TF. Although under those same circumstances the 6800XT would be more like 13-14TF.
However I've seen CB2077 look way better than it's shown there (see the video's I posted further up this thread. That's not to say WD:L maxed out isn't absolutely gorgeous and a definite competitor for CB.
TBH, I've seen videos that show both games in a far, better light! Wouldn't read too much into this comparison.
A bug in Cyberpunk?Must be a bug then. If it isn’t then at least from the footage I guess the watch dogs is next-next gen
About. On the GPU front (still the most important), the best AMD has to offer right now is a 6900XT, which, with an OC, is close or over 30TF in like-for-like flops (RDNA2 arch), with a close to 25TF without OC. That's three times the capability of the PS5, a extremely high clocking and very wide GPU, with infinity cache to boot.
Then you sit at about 6700/XT level of perf at around 10TF, more BW constrained (share with the system also), and a shared 16GB vram.
Thats not even looking at NVs offerings, which have atleast the same rasterization performance as the mentioned 6900XT/6800XT and below. But with the added tensor hardware for reconstruction tech DLSS, and ray tracing performance thats gobs faster compared to dGPUs, let alone a 10TF gpu in a console.
Ampere are compute monsters aswell, should come to good use with UE5 demo like scenarios.
On the CPU front, things look better then last time atleast. I would still call them mid range, its a previous generation Zen2 gpu which is heavily downclocked, and as the GPU, share the mem BW subsystem. A high clocked 12core zen3 is what i'd call high-end. No pc gamer in their right mind is going to build something with less then a 3700x class gpu.
On the IO front its not all that clear, they should be 'high-end', but then again,NVs Direct Storage PCIE4 Nvme on the GPU compute delivering 14gb/s and higher is already surpassing in raw capabilities. Seeing how 2077 performs the streaming on pc with a fast nvme, thats already working very very well.
Memory, well, as noted above, its 16GB in total, whereas RNDA2 gpus sport that just for the VRAM allocation. SSDs can mitigate that somewhat, but nothing replaces even fast DDR4 ram yet, let alone GDDR6 (x) memory. Latency still is a thing.
They are mid-range machines, at a price to match them. Its all about compromises if you need to sell hardware at a 500 dollar price point.
Optimizations have come a long way, too.
6800XT 14TF, where does that put the PS5 GPU in turn
True. I think ampere can stretch its legs more and more going forward, focus heavy on compute. The 3080 is a 30TF GPU, in different workloads.
WDL on pc defintely looks drop dead amazing with the ray tracing and maxed out settings. CP2077 towers still as the best looker, atleast, so DF thinks.
WLD probably will end up as a runner up.
Still, i think death stranding, horizon zero down, RDR2, they where great looking games. Maxed, they make generational leaps all the more harder. Detroit was very 'photo realistic'.
Absolutely, look at the videos and screenshots posted by members here on CP2077, out of this world looking stuff. That video doesnt do any good to either games. But that was probably the purpose.
Dont forget that everyone will have their own opinions, like said someone could find GTA4 be better looking then GTAV. Theres nothing wrong with that.
Basically best RDNA2 and Ampere offer perform a bit under two times better than PS5/XSX on rasterization and this is good for a 999 and 1499 dollars/euros GPU. I talk about the game optimized for PS5, XSX and using rasterization.
And a PS5 perform like a 2060 with raytracing in Watchdog Legions, here this is between two and three times more perfomant for the best Ampere GPU.
These GPU companies use different TFlops numbers that cannot be directly compared. The Rtx 6900 GPU is nowhere three times more powerful than current consoles, but not twice as much. This is especially true for the Xbox Series X, which will be a bandwidth monster when taking advantage of Sampler Feedback Streaming. These consoles are packed with more performance-enhancing stuff and are much more advanced compared to previous-generation machines.About. On the GPU front (still the most important), the best AMD has to offer right now is a 6900XT, which, with an OC, is close or over 30TF in like-for-like flops (RDNA2 arch), with a close to 25TF without OC. That's three times the capability of the PS5, a extremely high clocking and very wide GPU, with infinity cache to boot.
Then you sit at about 6700/XT level of perf at around 10TF, more BW constrained (share with the system also), and a shared 16GB vram.
Thats not even looking at NVs offerings, which have atleast the same rasterization performance as the mentioned 6900XT/6800XT and below. But with the added tensor hardware for reconstruction tech DLSS, and ray tracing performance thats gobs faster compared to dGPUs, let alone a 10TF gpu in a console.
Ampere are compute monsters aswell, should come to good use with UE5 demo like scenarios.
On the CPU front, things look better then last time atleast. I would still call them mid range, its a previous generation Zen2 gpu which is heavily downclocked, and as the GPU, share the mem BW subsystem. A high clocked 12core zen3 is what i'd call high-end. No pc gamer in their right mind is going to build something with less then a 3700x class gpu.
On the IO front its not all that clear, they should be 'high-end', but then again,NVs Direct Storage PCIE4 Nvme on the GPU compute delivering 14gb/s and higher is already surpassing in raw capabilities. Seeing how 2077 performs the streaming on pc with a fast nvme, thats already working very very well.
Memory, well, as noted above, its 16GB in total, whereas RNDA2 gpus sport that just for the VRAM allocation. SSDs can mitigate that somewhat, but nothing replaces even fast DDR4 ram yet, let alone GDDR6 (x) memory. Latency still is a thing.
They are mid-range machines, at a price to match them. Its all about compromises if you need to sell hardware at a 500 dollar price point.
Optimizations have come a long way, too.
6800XT 14TF, where does that put the PS5 GPU in turn
True. I think ampere can stretch its legs more and more going forward, focus heavy on compute. The 3080 is a 30TF GPU, in different workloads.
WDL on pc defintely looks drop dead amazing with the ray tracing and maxed out settings. CP2077 towers still as the best looker, atleast, so DF thinks.
WLD probably will end up as a runner up.
Still, i think death stranding, horizon zero down, RDR2, they where great looking games. Maxed, they make generational leaps all the more harder. Detroit was very 'photo realistic'.
Absolutely, look at the videos and screenshots posted by members here on CP2077, out of this world looking stuff. That video doesnt do any good to either games. But that was probably the purpose.
Dont forget that everyone will have their own opinions, like said someone could find GTA4 be better looking then GTAV. Theres nothing wrong with that.
A 6900Xt oc sits at three times the power of a PS5, like for like arch/tf. Todays games like valhalla (lol) are not really pushing things yet.
These gpus dont really seem bottlenecked either.
Im afraid the difference is more there. 6800XT class performs obviously better in RT then a ps5 would.
But what complete PC can you get for €499 ?
You can get a pretty competent PC for that price.
10400F for 150€, 6/12 core and better cache system than Zen2.
Cheap Intel Mobo for 50€
500GB SSD Sata for 50-60€
Case + Power Supply for 50-60€
Graphics Card, like the 1660 Super, which is very close to a 1070ti, 1080, for 200-250€
That's 500-600€. And you don't need to pay to play online.
With more storage, just with a 9400f - that was basically my system, and the PS5 (since we're comparing with PC, let's use the PS5's digital price which is $400) is far superior. Legacy titles that haven't received patches, sure - they'll still look and play better on that PC. But that system isn't going to approach the PS5 version of titles like Dirt5, Valhalla, or even Cyberpunk in its current console form, of course not accounting the exclusive titles.You can get a pretty competent PC for that price.
10400F for 150€, 6/12 core and better cache system than Zen2.
Cheap Intel Mobo for 50€
500GB SSD Sata for 50-60€
Case + Power Supply for 50-60€
Graphics Card, like the 1660 Super, which is very close to a 1070ti, 1080, for 200-250€
Memory, 8GB for 50€
That's 500-600€. And you don't need to pay to play online.
To be fair, no DIY PC builder is going to be paying retail MSRP for Windows 10 Pro, you pay $20 for an OEM key from any number of online sellers. MS doesn't care enough to crack down on that market.399 is barely enough for windows 10 pro and a controller, let alone an entire system but that is a different discussion
so 750€ euro including windows and you have less than half the performance, no ray tracing, 5-10 times as slow SSD, hundreds of gigabytes less storage, no RAM, and you also need to buy a fan still?
"You can get a pretty competent PC for that price." looks like you misspelt "incompetent"
But seriously there is a topic for this I guess
In the context of a thread where someone mentions the price of a PS5 vs a PC, it's pretty clear that they're speaking of a comparable PC that can provide a roughly equivalent experience. Piping in with "Well here's a PC at about half the power (GPU-wise at least) at the same price!" (actually more expensive) doesn't really mean much.Mmm.. I never said it was better than any console. I said you could get a pretty competent PC.
Maybe (I think the drastically slowing rate of process improvements + limited facility capacity may throw a wrench into that argument). Then perhaps that comparison will make more sense, but it doesn't now.Consoles are always better value at the beggining of the gen. In a year you'll be able to get a budget RT card that surpasses new consoles at an affordable price.
This is understood in any comparison. PC's also have potentially more issues with gaming, 'choice' isn't always a net benefit.And again, PCs do much more than gaming + free online play.
Watch dogs has a console version but I think that is locked to 30. It is the only game on PS5 that is 30fps come to think of it
You can get a pretty competent PC for that price.
10400F for 150€, 6/12 core and better cache system than Zen2.
Cheap Intel Mobo for 50€
500GB SSD Sata for 50-60€
Case + Power Supply for 50-60€
Graphics Card, like the 1660 Super, which is very close to a 1070ti, 1080, for 200-250€
Memory, 8GB for 50€
That's 500-600€. And you don't need to pay to play online.
But what complete PC can you get for €499 ?
These GPU companies use different TFlops numbers that cannot be directly compared. The Rtx 6900 GPU is nowhere three times more powerful than current consoles, but not twice as much.
This is especially true for the Xbox Series X, which will be a bandwidth monster when taking advantage of Sampler Feedback Streaming.
These machines in my opinion will be capable of high and ultra settings at a stable 60 fps in the coming years.
In your attempt to downplay CP2077 you kind tripped over your own feet right there.
WDL on PS5 is 30 FPS with resolution going from 2160p to 1440p (aka cheating in my book).
PC at true 4K:
Thanks