"Yes, but how many polygons?" An artist blog entry with interesting numbers

No it is not when taking into account what else is being rendered. And Lost Planet may well be 2m/polys average aswell as Dead Rising, would you call them crappy to polygon wise?

The games with most polygons peak, are Dead Rising and Lost Planet, whereas LP is out for PC and PS3. On Crysis you will get to 3m+ peak polygon count per frame, but becouse it is less than 1m polys of Dead Rising it means it is crappy? Do you even have an idea how many times Crysis redraws the same frame to achieve desired effects in high and very high? -far more times than LP or DR.

Each time you redraw the frame you will have to redraw most if not all polygons depending on method used. Why games with more impressive effetcs and graphics has less amount of polygons. Actually you only have 1 game DR with large amount of peak polygon count. A game that besides that looks flat compared to other games with 1m polygons or around that number.

And that means peak, the Crysis numbers are average. Crysis peaks above 3m in heavier scenes/battles. What differs that peak from the peak in other games? -Nothing.

Are you turning this into a HW scalability discussion? PC games does and have always had settings to scale to your system. A moderate system has no problem doing 4m polygons at 30fps+ in Crysis if that is what you are asking for or?

Would it also be embarassing to run xbox games on your xbox360 due to thoose games having far less polygons? Or how about xbox360 games on xbox720? You get the point?

And think about x amount polygons but for what? For example Dead Rising characters have low amount of polygons, it is the sheer amount of them that ups the polygon count in that game.

No becouse there is several LOD levels for assets in games, which means you can customize according to HW. Weak system needs more agressive LOD, powerful system dont.

I dont really follow how Mafia 2 poly counts show how PC is weak for handling polygons, especially when the games is to be released for consoles to at same time. It is a multiplatform game and as seen with other mp games the lowest common denominator is the limiter, that is the consoles.

Im sorry but could you behave more maturely when proof is being posted that contradicts your baseless claims. An interview hosted by different sites with the devs. It is the devs own words about poly counts, what else is there to discuss? You either accept proof and reality or continue to live in a bubble beliving in lies.


Here, take a look at Dead Rising characters, notice all the hard edges, differences it nothing from Mafia 2, honestly looks even less detailed geometry wise.

Hand, arm, shoulders, head top, belly, etc (you see the hard edges?)
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/xbox360/748396/images/dead-rising-20060803050701628.html
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/dead-rising/748396/images/dead-rising-20060803050710316.html

 

Mod advice:

Let's not make this a personal discussion. Keep it civil and avoid getting heated up( I've got the flu pretty badly and so I am bit cranky today; this isn't exactly the time to piss me off.)

So, make your points without snide remarks about each other...

 

You guys think Gears of War 2 is going to have more, less or the same ammount of polygons on characters the first one did?

 

Rule #209586: Any comment with a serious reference to SCA is immediately discarded as either potential trolling or unintended humor.

Seriously, I don't think I've played a game designed/coded worse than SA: DA in the past 8 years.

 

maybe a little more, depends on what else to add/subtract from the general environment.

 

Are those Dead Rising / Lost Planet numbers pre or post culling? same with the Crysis number.

 

Dont know for the Lost Planet/Dead Rising ones but the Crysis ones are after culling.

 

Just a friendly reminder to folks that the spirit of the thread was to see how polygon counts have advanced/progressed over time. Please keep the platform generalizations and e-pen0r comparisons out.

 

Anyone has an idea how much the polygon count has increased from Gow to Gow 2's current footage?

Gow: Marcus - 15,000 polygons with diffuse, specular and normal maps

Gow 2: ??

Looks to me like its using more. How many more do you guys think it would be possible?

 

Jak 3 PS2

Listened to the commentary on the cut-scenes with Jak 3 and when a scence comes up with Cyber Erroll they state that the model contains 20 000 polygons. That seems incredible for the PS2 especially compared to the numbers posted about current gen games.

Would love to know more polygon numbers for PS2 especially for the Kingdom Hearts series and Silent Hill 3 (has been discussed but no estimates or anything)

 

How many in Resident Evil remake from Game Cube?

 

If memory serves me right it's 10,000 for the main characters.

 

How many polygons can push the Xbox360 in game conditions ? Do anyone know ?

 

How are they shaded? How big are they? Do they overlap? This question has no good answer and the only one you can get is "enough". Which was also true for, say, Dreamcast.

 

Indeed. It's a number between 1 and 500 million triangles per second, inversely proportional to the complexity of the shaders.

This has been discussed long ago: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=22358

 

Maybe some answers come with this link(need translate) for x360:

http://texhnologix.blogzine.jp/texhnologix/2007/11/xenos_vertex_pe.html
http://texhnologix.blogzine.jp/texhnologix/2007/11/xenos_vertex_pe_1.html

 

I wasn't asking those questions so I can give the answer. I was asking them to present the large amount of variable conditions that impact the answer. This also implies that there is no answer to this question and there never will be. Because it's not a reasonable question to ask in the first place.

 

If you don't want an answer to your question, don't ask.

 

Rhetorical question.

 

Armor tends to be more angular anyways in practical design, so therefore it's possible to need high polygon counts since sometimes those angles really can't be simulated with shaders. Things like the individual ammo satchels on a combat vest/armor system. If you look at MGS4, the amount of detail put into the non-curved surfaces on characters is insane like Snake's ammo vest system or Vamp's BDU gear (anyone else notice how his gear and the FROGS unit are the same?). Honestly I don't ever want to see a strap of some kind on a character that's really just a texture. By these days that strap should actually be built of actual polygons on top, bottom, and the sides.