Yamauchi : GC successor not coming soon, not shown at 05 E3

[Qroach]

Marco & teasy,

agree its incredible how far some people will go because of there hatred for a certain company. If I ever defended Deadmeat in one of his Sony bashing threads I'd be ashamed of myself.

First Marco, Cybermerc wrote "go away" in repsonse to MY speculation posted. It had nothing to do with Deadmeat at all, otherwise I would have to agree, and have been very vocal that Deadmeat should be banned. Anyway, in no way did I "provoke" any sort of response out of cybermerc, so I really don't see how his actions could be excused. For some reason he takes things personal, even simple speculation.

Second, Teasy, you should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to team up on me regarding Marco's mistake. Blindly ganging up with someone (Marco) NOT because they are correct (which you could have easily checked), but because of your own bias and percieved bias of others. That's pretty pathetic, and I ccertainly think you should be ashamed of your constant defense of cybermerc. You'r ealways making excuses for his actions because he's in the nintendo camp.

 

[London Geezer]

Can we keep things on-topic? Like good old jvd says, take your catfights outside.

 

[Deadmeat]

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Users do not demand latest high technology. Anyone speaking of "next generation console" doesn't understand gaming business. - Yamauchi Hiroshi

This is a correct accessment of the current market situation, coming from the wisdom of a man who is a gaming legend. If gamers actually prefered high tech, then PSX2 would have been dead a long ago and Xbox and GC would be battling for the top spot today; it hasn't happened. Instead we have SCEI with the least powerful and flawed hardware dominating the market. How could this have happened??? But we have seen this before, an outdated GB outliving and outselling all of its superior rivals combined.

Savvy marketting and lots of publishing deals, that's why. Average users don't care about hardware; their purchase habits are driven by what commercial they see on TV and what their friends have at home. This is why MS is so eager to push out Xbox Next at the earliest date irrelevant of SCEI plans and why Yamauchi wants Nintendo to stay out of bruising 5th gen console race. Hardware doesn't matter anymore(As long as it is not significantly flawed), only markettings and publishing politics do.

In the end, SCEI would have laughed all the way to the bank if it overclocked EE to 1.5 Ghz, increase GS RAM to 16 MB, and call it the PlayStation3. But Kutaragi is pursuing a difficult and risky path of CELL because he is a dreamer who puts technical excellence and performance ahead of marketting and business reasoning, and I respect that in a man. I just wish that Kutaragi had more coding experience so that he could see the whole picture from a programmer's perspective, instead of an electrical engineer's perspective.

 

[London Geezer]

Re: ...

Users do not demand latest high technology. Anyone speaking of "next generation console" doesn't understand gaming business. - Yamauchi Hiroshi

This is a correct accessment of the current market situation, coming from the wisdom of a man who is a gaming legend. If gamers actually prefered high tech, then PSX2 would have been dead a long ago and Xbox and GC would be battling for the top spot today; it hasn't happened. Instead we have SCEI with the least powerful and flawed hardware dominating the market. How could this have happened??? But we have seen this before, an outdated GB outliving and outselling all of its superior rivals combined.

Savvy marketting and lots of publishing deals, that's why. Average users don't care about hardware; their purchase habits are driven by what commercial they see on TV and what their friends have at home. This is why MS is so eager to push out Xbox Next at the earliest date irrelevant of SCEI plans and why Yamauchi wants Nintendo to stay out of bruising 5th gen console race. Hardware doesn't matter anymore, only markettings and publishing deals do.

In a slightly less dramatic way, i kinda agree with the above, although you have forgotten something called THE SOFTWARE. We can agree that one is the most important aspect. Hype and marketing only takes you so far... If you don't have something impressive, marketing can only keep u afloat for so long. Look at Ngage..

 

[notAFanB]

In a slightly less dramatic way, i kinda agree with the above, although you have forgotten something called THE SOFTWARE. We can agree that one is the most important aspect. Hype and marketing only takes you so far... If you don't have something impressive, marketing can only keep u afloat for so long. Look at Ngage..

I respectfully disagree, if you push sht long enough there will be enough merit to keep it afloat (yes I am of the general concensus that we as the consumer are *that* stupid).

 

[jandar]

Re: ...

Savvy marketting and lots of publishing deals, that's why. Average users don't care about hardware; their purchase habits are driven by what commercial they see on TV and what their friends have at home. This is why MS is so eager to push out Xbox Next at the earliest date irrelevant of SCEI plans and why Yamauchi wants Nintendo to stay out of bruising 5th gen console race. Hardware doesn't matter anymore, only markettings and publishing deals do.

That is correct.

Nintendo is coming out with a new (er) console to compete with Sony and MS. They did the same thing this generation.

GC is breaking even at 99$, PS2 is probably breaking even at $179, XBox is far from breaking even.

XBox = best graphics - but only in very few games
PS2 = developers have the machine down now, so games are even better
GC = just about the right blend of parts/abilities without being expensive

Take Yamauchi's comments and apply them to this generation. They apply as well. So you can see where he is coming from. No need to do an Ati/nVidia type battle with SCEI and MS, they can compete just fine.

 

[marconelly!]

First Marco, Cybermerc wrote "go away" in repsonse to MY speculation posted. It had nothing to do with Deadmeat at all, otherwise I would have to agree, and have been very vocal that Deadmeat should be banned. Anyway, in no way did I "provoke" any sort of response out of cybermerc, so I really don't see how his actions could be excused. For some reason he takes things personal, even simple speculation.

Ah, I'm really sorry then... I thought I checked who said what, but I guess I was just wrong

Now that I look at it, it confused me that you had it bolded, as I thought you quoted him, and aswered to it, as well as seeing MrSingh's post that for some reason had both yours and Deadmeats name on top of that quote.

 

[Deadmeat]

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you have forgotten something called THE SOFTWARE

Software is included in publishing deals.

 

[Qroach]

Marco,

Ah, I'm really sorry then... I thought I checked who said what, but I guess I was just wrong

No worries, easy enough mistake

 

[Fox5]

Its pretty amazing that so many people here would put so much stock in the translations of Shinbun after their dsgraceful behaviour towards Nintendo recently. I mean its ok to discuss the possibility of what they're saying, but it seems for some this publication has become a holy bible (Deadmeat and co) simply because of its obvious Nintendo bias.

cthellis42

Simply put, saying anything like: Users do not demand latest high technology. Anyone speaking of "next generation console" doesn't understand gaming business. is just a bad call.

At first I thought the same thing. But then I realised that GameCube wasn't made up of the latest high tech parts. But did people have a problem with GC's power/visuals? As he says users do not demand the latest technology. That's one of the few things Yamauchi has said that I agree with.

marconelly!

I would just like to comment on this Qroach's (and later Deathknight's) quote. Why do you guys even bother answering to a quote that basically asks Deadmeat to go away?

I agree its incredible how far some people will go because of there hatred for a certain company. If I ever defended Deadmeat in one of his Sony bashing threads I'd be ashamed of myself.

All users may not demand the latest technology, but many do, GameCube's lower price at launch didn't make it outsell the Xbox's superior hardware, nor did it attract developers. The perception of power does matter a lot though, I know many who still think PS2 is more powerful than gamecube and gamecube is like dreamcast level. It's the same in the PC market, where people will buy a PCI 5200 FX or Geforce 4 MX because they think Nvidia = powerful.


Nintendo also needs to know when to make something new, and when to rehash. Rehashing should generally be done while the original product is still popular, not 5 years later. Though super mario sunshine would have been better if it stuck more closely to mario 64 and was nothing more than a level expansion + graphical update, the few new things nintendo did add usually didn't work well.(as well as the shift of turning mario back into a platformer instead of a puzzle solving adventuring man)

BTW, I'd say PS2 is making money by now, and xbox is probably breaking even, or close to it. You can buy comparable parts in the xbox off pricewatch.com for only slightly more than an xbox costs. Though, xbox does incllude 2 free games, so I guess that costs microsoft something, and they include a controller too, but microsoft isn't losing $100 on every xbox sold by now.

 

[cthellis42]

At first I thought the same thing. But then I realised that GameCube wasn't made up of the latest high tech parts. But did people have a problem with GC's power/visuals? As he says users do not demand the latest technology. That's one of the few things Yamauchi has said that I agree with.

GameCube wasn't particularly down, though. Certainly not enough to make to be talking about it in sort of "fundamental imperatives" the way he seems to. Obviously the market accepts performance sway, the same way they do with game library, capabilities, peripherals... But if that's his only point, then there IS no point--it's something that's been born out for ages.

It's the other comments he's posting alongside that confuse the matter, and makes me think he's talking about something different than simple another GameCube <--> Xbox performance differential.

 

[Megadrive1988]

Gamecube successor not shown at E3 2005 = wait til Spaceworld 2005

 

[Paul]

In the end, SCEI would have laughed all the way to the bank if it overclocked EE to 1.5 Ghz, increase GS RAM to 16 MB, and call it the PlayStation3. But Kutaragi is pursuing a difficult and risky path of CELL because he is a dreamer who puts technical excellence and performance ahead of marketting and business reasoning, and I respect that in a man.

And now you see why I am a fan of SCEI...

 

[Fox5]

Gamecube successor not shown at E3 2005 = wait til Spaceworld 2005

They still have those?

 

[StefanS]

Gamecube successor not shown at E3 2005 = wait til Spaceworld 2005

They still have those?

Well, there's no regular interval, but there was a rumour about a SpaceWorld this year. But as DS is revealed at E3, chances are very good that it is just a rumour...

 

[Evil_Cloud]

Gamecube successor not shown at E3 2005 = wait til Spaceworld 2005

They still have those?

Well, there's no regular interval, but there was a rumour about a SpaceWorld this year. But as DS is revealed at E3, chances are very good that it is just a rumour...

What was the last spaceworld? 2001?

 

[Ooh-videogames]

I think with any comment by Iwata and Yamauchi, people do alot of reaching. And how come the question asked are not displayed in the article. History shows that Nintendo never start hyping there new console this early, its always been milk the current console as much as possible. If Sony wasn't talking up their cell chip, the gaming media wouldn't be hounding Nintendo about their next console. And I'm not attacking Sony, the PS2 has been on the market a year longer so this is the right time for them. Nintendo is more worried about the GC being viewed as a dead console, even though they have 4-5 major exclusive games releasing this year. Most of the comments by them I agree with, but I don't have to analyze the comments to understand that these are just views of the market and not a direct reflection of how there next console will turn out. I do think NOA need to do interviews to help NA gamers better understand this, specifically hardcore gamers.

 

[Teasy]

GameCube wasn't particularly down, though. Certainly not enough to make to be talking about it in sort of "fundamental imperatives" the way he seems to.

I'm not sure what your saying here.

Obviously the market accepts performance sway, the same way they do with game library, capabilities, peripherals... But if that's his only point, then there IS no point--it's something that's been born out for ages.

You have to remember that these aren't random musings or anything, its all from an interview. If they ask the guy if he thinks a product needs the newest tech to do well then he's going to answer that question even if its obvious and nothing knew to say.

It's the other comments he's posting alongside that confuse the matter, and makes me think he's talking about something different than simple another GameCube <--> Xbox performance differential.

That's the thing, it might not even be about their next gen console, it could be about anything really. I mean we don't get to see what questions are being asked to get these answers. He could have been asked about DS when he answered that. Or he might be talking about their next console and the other comments are mixed together to give people the impression that the article writer wants to give (no next gen console from Nintendo). I mean I could interview him and ask "What do you think of women" and he could say "I love them, I'm married to one" and I could write:

Mr Yamauchi professed his love of men saying "I love them, I'm married to one" .. see what I mean? They could be completely misrepresenting what was said, and considering there recent Nintendo article I wouldn't be suprised. Or a lot of this stuff could be completely mis-translated. Anyway my point is its all just far to ambiguous to be worth much.

 

[StefanS]

I think with any comment by Iwata and Yamauchi, people do alot of reaching. And how come the question asked are not displayed in the article. History shows that Nintendo never start hyping there new console this early, its always been milk the current console as much as possible. If Sony wasn't talking up their cell chip, the gaming media wouldn't be hounding Nintendo about their next console. And I'm not attacking Sony, the PS2 has been on the market a year longer so this is the right time for them. Nintendo is more worried about the GC being viewed as a dead console, even though they have 4-5 major exclusive games releasing this year. Most of the comments by them I agree with, but I don't have to analyze the comments to understand that these are just views of the market and not a direct reflection of how there next console will turn out. I do think NOA need to do interviews to help NA gamers better understand this, specifically hardcore gamers.

Good post!

 

[cybamerc]

Qroach:

> That all depends on what is in Gamecube 2 or the suscessor to
> gamecube,doesn it.

When I say GC2 I mean the next home console from Nintendo. I doubt they will reuse the GameCube name but for now it's just easier to call it that.

> yet you say all the translations of that (phantom) article are not
> correct?

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the translation should be taken with a grain of salt since it goes against everything that has been said so far and there is at least one translation (the one from GameScience which has been posted in this thread) that contradicts the one from IGN.

> so you can't go about dismissing any translations of it.

Of course I can. All we have is a couple of questionable translations, noone who speaks Japanese and no access to the original interview.

> If your'e talking about what they are showing at E3 next year, Mr
> yamauchi happens to disagree.

No. None of the translations give the impression that Nintendo won't release hardware with power comparable to that of the competition.

In fact, in the GameScience translation it is implied that they will release a high end system contrary to general public demand.

> That remains to be seen.

Yes of course.

> Then please explain clearly to everyone here just what they are talking
> about cybermerc.

The implication is that it is something that offers new possibilities in gameplay. Better graphics and sound won't do that as long as you're limited to the same input/output devices.

> If they aren't fun, they aren't a very marketable product.

Nonsense. Games are made marketable by the marketing division in cooperation with an ad agency. Quality is secondary at best. It's mostly about marketing and a fancy box cover.

> Fun = enjoyment and anything that increases the level of enjoyment is
> a well deserved addition.

I don't disagree and neither does Nintendo. But again, I must stress that a bad game with great graphics is still a bad game. Developers should worry about making a game fun before worrying about graphics and sound. That is what Nintendo is trying to argue. It's a matter of priority and focus.

> (starting with the Playstation SNES addon)

Hindsight is 20-20. It could just as easily have worked out. Sony wanted more than Nintendo was willing to give. Most companies in Nintendo's position would have done the same.

> For some reason he takes things personal, even simple speculation.

I didn't take it personally although I did shed a tear on behalf of humanity. Your speculation is stupid. Simple as that.



MrSingh:

> looks like qroach knows something you don't.

Quincy knows nothing.



Fox5:

> They still have those?

Speculation has it that they're gone for good. With E3 being a global event Nintendo has decided to focus on that with the odd announcement getting its own event.