Yamauchi : GC successor not coming soon, not shown at 05 E3
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There can certainly be "diminishing returns," and obviously graphics isn't everything, but people sure like "more" be it better quality graphics, bigger environments, flashier effects, more physics, better AI, higher-quality sound... Heck, sometimes they just want something "new" even if they don't know what it's new FOR.
The ultimate stance he's taking in this case is beyond retarded. We certainly haven't reached the summit yet.
Yes, the smart, smart man! After all, the market has shown no propensity for wanting bigger and better games at all in its entire history. Nope.Deadmeat said:
There can certainly be "diminishing returns," and obviously graphics isn't everything, but people sure like "more" be it better quality graphics, bigger environments, flashier effects, more physics, better AI, higher-quality sound... Heck, sometimes they just want something "new" even if they don't know what it's new FOR.
The ultimate stance he's taking in this case is beyond retarded. We certainly haven't reached the summit yet.
Some of you are incredibly stupid. Neither Iwata or Yamauchi are saying that there shouldn't be new, more powerful hardware, nor that Nintendo won't have it. What they're saying is that more power doesn't guarantee fun. And that is where the focus should be.
The same belief applies to games. A bad game with great graphics is still a bad game.
Console systems have followed the same basic formula since the first one came out. You have a system with a controller that hooks up to a tv. Well, they're trying to break that formula.
A good example is the Nintendo DS. While Nintendo talks about simplicity, how more power is not the answer, the actual unit is a system with two CPUs of which the co-processor is said to be a particularly powerful variant of the ARM7 CPU (in other words, it won't be identical to the version in the GBA). So the actual hardware is going to be a good bit more powerful than the GBA but that is not the selling point for Nintendo - the dual screens, wireless functions, and whatever they may be hiding from us, are. The features that allow new types of gameplay.
GC2 is tentatively scheduled to be unveiled at E3 2005 and it'll be comparable in power to whatever the competition brings out.
The same belief applies to games. A bad game with great graphics is still a bad game.
Console systems have followed the same basic formula since the first one came out. You have a system with a controller that hooks up to a tv. Well, they're trying to break that formula.
A good example is the Nintendo DS. While Nintendo talks about simplicity, how more power is not the answer, the actual unit is a system with two CPUs of which the co-processor is said to be a particularly powerful variant of the ARM7 CPU (in other words, it won't be identical to the version in the GBA). So the actual hardware is going to be a good bit more powerful than the GBA but that is not the selling point for Nintendo - the dual screens, wireless functions, and whatever they may be hiding from us, are. The features that allow new types of gameplay.
GC2 is tentatively scheduled to be unveiled at E3 2005 and it'll be comparable in power to whatever the competition brings out.
You of all people here should watch who you are calling "stupid" cybermerc. Seriously.
Neither of them has said that there shouldn't be more powerful hardware, or they won't have it. the real question is WHEN.
however Yamauchi DID say that hardware they were showing at E3 next year wasn't gamecube 2. One quote from him said "successor" to the GC and that it shouldn't be called "next generation", and the other quote said a new game machine using gamecube as it's "mother".
Neither of those quotes from Yamauchi seem to state they will be showing the console to compete with xbox 2 or PS3 at E3 next year.
Just what if Iwata is referring to Gamecube 2 as this mystery hardware that connects to gamecube? This in no way means nintendo isn't working on a TRUE nextgen console or when it could arrive, but this does raise the question regarding what everyone really thinks gamecube 2 is going to be.
Right it doesn't, gaurentee more fun, but people do want better graphics and sound. Think about it for a second, why would someone claim something like this if they were really planning to show hardware to compete with xbox 2 or PS3 at E3 next year? This is exactly what one would say if they weren't showing something along those lines and at that time.
Don't fall for the less is better approach BS, that's the N64 dream team nonsense all over again. Yeah a bad game with great graphics is still a bad game, but a great game with great graphics is still an even better game. If the movie industry followed your analogy, we'd still be watching black and white movies while listening to audio in mono. VHS would never be replaced with DVD, and we'd all still be using record players instead of CD players.
Think about it for a second, do color movies with improved sound really make a movie more fun to watch? Do CD players really make music more fun to listen to?
It's not only about "fun" it's about getting the complete package and a improved experience. More power ful hardware can provide better graphics and sound, and that mhelps make the over all experience more enjoyable. A fun game with bad graphics certainly isn't more "fun" then a a fun game with great graphics.
Why's Yamauchi still speaking on behalf of Nintendo anyway? Wasn't he supposed to go into retirement when Iawata took over the helm? And why is anyone still LISTENING at him? That old dinosaur's been spouting nonsense for at least a decade now.
You don't know the typical culture of Japanese company ? Especially one as old as Nintendo ?
Sure he doesn't technically make decision anymore, but the guy is an old man and is well respected within Nintendo, his influence still controls Nintendo to a very large degree.
And scary enough, it seems Nintendo DS is his idea
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The day Yamauchi dies is the day Yamauchi the honorary president of Nintendo really retires for good...
Iwata's Yamauchi's spokeperson and secretary. Yamauchi put Iwata in office so that he doesn't have to goto work and deal with daily operations anymore. He can now rest at home and have Iwata deal with paperwork for him.
Because we all know who really runs Nintendo....
The day Yamauchi dies is the day Yamauchi the honorary president of Nintendo really retires for good...
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Qroach:
> You of all people here should watch who you are calling "stupid"
> cybermerc. Seriously.
I see that you took my comment to heart. Good for you. A little self-awareness never hurts.
> Neither of them has said that there shouldn't be more powerful
> hardware, or they won't have it. the real question is WHEN.
When the competition launches their systems. It's been stated countless times.
> however Yamauchi DID say that hardware they were showing at E3
> next year wasn't gamecube 2.
1. like Deadmeat you don't read Japanese
2. like Deadmeat you don't have access to the original interview
> but people do want better graphics and sound.
And they will get it.
> why would someone claim something like this if they were really
> planning to show hardware to compete with xbox 2 or PS3 at E3 next
> year?
Because they're planning on offering more than better graphics and sounds. New input devices have been mentioned in the past.
> Don't fall for the less is better approach BS, that's the N64 dream team
> nonsense all over again.
I fail to see the connection.
> If the movie industry followed your analogy, we'd still be watching
> black and white movies while listening to audio in mono.
You really are dense. Noone is saying that hardware shouldn't advance, just that the focus should be on content.
Guden Oden:
> And why is anyone still LISTENING at him?
Because he is an industry legend, a great businessman and still has a lot of influence.
> You of all people here should watch who you are calling "stupid"
> cybermerc. Seriously.
I see that you took my comment to heart. Good for you. A little self-awareness never hurts.
> Neither of them has said that there shouldn't be more powerful
> hardware, or they won't have it. the real question is WHEN.
When the competition launches their systems. It's been stated countless times.
> however Yamauchi DID say that hardware they were showing at E3
> next year wasn't gamecube 2.
1. like Deadmeat you don't read Japanese
2. like Deadmeat you don't have access to the original interview
> but people do want better graphics and sound.
And they will get it.
> why would someone claim something like this if they were really
> planning to show hardware to compete with xbox 2 or PS3 at E3 next
> year?
Because they're planning on offering more than better graphics and sounds. New input devices have been mentioned in the past.
> Don't fall for the less is better approach BS, that's the N64 dream team
> nonsense all over again.
I fail to see the connection.
> If the movie industry followed your analogy, we'd still be watching
> black and white movies while listening to audio in mono.
You really are dense. Noone is saying that hardware shouldn't advance, just that the focus should be on content.
Guden Oden:
> And why is anyone still LISTENING at him?
Because he is an industry legend, a great businessman and still has a lot of influence.
Qroach:
Lol... like I said you of all peopel shouldn't be using names around here. If you only knew half as much as you think you do, then you might actually contribute in a non confrontational way.
I'm not talking about the launch, I'm talking about the unvailing. If MS and sony unvail their next gen hardware at E3 next year and nintendo doesn't then that could seriously hurt them.
What a load .
1. Do you read Japanese?
2. Do you have the oringinal interview?
If you're simply dismissing it without the above two points then, even more of a fan than I thought.
How exactly? How are they going to get better graphics and sound without using more powerful hardware?
Lol, First you just contradicted yourself. You only a sentace ago said they will get better graphics and now you say they are offering more than graphics?
Second, you think a new input device is a better improvement than graphics and sound? That's a real stretch IMO, besides, input improves with each generation anyways. If nintendo is doing what you are thinking then they will not succeed. Better graphics and sound is a difference someone can physically see or hear. Improvements in input is not something you can see or hear. Being able to see/hear it is the reason improvements in visuals and audio go a lot further to selling someone new hardware.
How can you fail to see the connection and call other people in this forum idiots and dense? Nintendo is saying "we don't need fancy powerful hardware, we have hardware that is good enough and we need to focus on gameplay over pretty visuals".
Back in the dream team N64 days, Nintendo said "we don't need all the developers to support the N64, we have enough developers (the dream team) and they will focus on quality games over quantity".
Do you fail to see the simularities now?
Like I said before, watch who you are calling "dense", as you clearly don't understand the game industry as well as you think you do. The focus IS already ON THE CONTENT, duh! The new hardware provides developers with features they can use to improve the overall experience. Just like the way color and better sound improved the movie experience, and how CD improved the audio quality of music.
What's even more funny is if nintendo is saying the focus should be on gameplay, they are one of a few companies that has used the same gameplay techniques over and over again with each generation. Unless Nintenedo isn't saying that and it's just what you think, but I'd figure you'd be able to see that trend, since you know the gaming industry so well and all.
The loyaltee in that statement is seriously pathetic. It's like you're a drone or something.
Lol... like I said you of all peopel shouldn't be using names around here. If you only knew half as much as you think you do, then you might actually contribute in a non confrontational way.
I'm not talking about the launch, I'm talking about the unvailing. If MS and sony unvail their next gen hardware at E3 next year and nintendo doesn't then that could seriously hurt them.
What a load
. 1. Do you read Japanese?
2. Do you have the oringinal interview?
If you're simply dismissing it without the above two points then, even more of a fan than I thought.
How exactly? How are they going to get better graphics and sound without using more powerful hardware?
Lol, First you just contradicted yourself. You only a sentace ago said they will get better graphics and now you say they are offering more than graphics?
Second, you think a new input device is a better improvement than graphics and sound? That's a real stretch IMO, besides, input improves with each generation anyways. If nintendo is doing what you are thinking then they will not succeed. Better graphics and sound is a difference someone can physically see or hear. Improvements in input is not something you can see or hear. Being able to see/hear it is the reason improvements in visuals and audio go a lot further to selling someone new hardware.
How can you fail to see the connection and call other people in this forum idiots and dense? Nintendo is saying "we don't need fancy powerful hardware, we have hardware that is good enough and we need to focus on gameplay over pretty visuals".
Back in the dream team N64 days, Nintendo said "we don't need all the developers to support the N64, we have enough developers (the dream team) and they will focus on quality games over quantity".
Do you fail to see the simularities now?
Like I said before, watch who you are calling "dense", as you clearly don't understand the game industry as well as you think you do. The focus IS already ON THE CONTENT, duh! The new hardware provides developers with features they can use to improve the overall experience. Just like the way color and better sound improved the movie experience, and how CD improved the audio quality of music.
What's even more funny is if nintendo is saying the focus should be on gameplay, they are one of a few companies that has used the same gameplay techniques over and over again with each generation. Unless Nintenedo isn't saying that and it's just what you think, but I'd figure you'd be able to see that trend, since you know the gaming industry so well and all.
The loyaltee in that statement is seriously pathetic. It's like you're a drone or something.
I disagree, I think nintendo is one of the most innovative companies gameplay wise, but one of the least innovative story and character wise. How can you call nintendo uninnovative when at most they'll usually release 2 or 3 games that play the same, but you have giants like EA, Capcom, and Konami, who not only don't significantly change, but go out of the way to stay the same.(Street Fighter, megaman, castlevania, metal gear, and all sports games still tend to play very much the same as they did 10 years ago, at least with the n64 nintendo pretty much threw out everything old, even if it is mostly getting recycled on gamecube, nintendo seems to be planning to do another throw out of everything old with their next console)
Hold on a second. I didn't say they were not innovative. I just said they use the same gameplay techniques over and over again. The biggest change over the last 15 years was going from 2D to 3D (graphics) and since then they haven't changed very much. Of course things had to be re-thought when they wer ein 3D obvisouly, but many of those changes were evoloutionary and not revoloutionary.
There's different types of innovation too. I'd say the new zelda game was innovative visually. I'd say pikmin is one of the few games they brought out recently that is innovative from a gameplay standpoint. I can't think of many other Nintendo made games on the GC that fall into the innovative catagory, although I'm sure there's a few others.
Even thier 2D games form yeara ago play so similar to thier 3D games, and that's why I said they use the same gameplay techniques. In other words, there's not a huge disconnect in gameplay fror the original zelda to the new zelda on the game cube. Sure they have made some gameplay additions, but that game hasn't changed drastically since it was first introduced. The biggest difference in that game was the graphics and sound IMO.
There's many game franchises that haven't changed a whole lot over the years. I'd say sports games have changed quite a lot. In that they have become mroe realistic while still being more complicated. Sports games are the exception because all they can do is try to make them more realistic.
We'll see. They promised some similar things this generation with changes in the mario games to make him seem like he was growing up or somehting along those lines, but it never really panned out.
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