xbox360 not hitting planned goals?

[Snyder]

Will it still be over 1 Teraflop?

Sure. Marketing numbers are virtual entities anyway, changes in reality don't have to affect them.

Fredi

Spot on!

 

[EndR]

I would take this with a grain of salt.. I mean.. C´MON!
Microsoft, the biggest software company in the world, with an enormous talent pool, in all areas.. and IBM, one of the biggest chipmakers out there.. would "suddenly" realize that they weren´t hitting their "proposed" targeted performance? Hmm.... I would have more faith than so.. really....

 

[Carl B]

I'm not saying I believe any of this as far as the rumor is concerned, but I don't know why you're equating money, power, and talent with automatic success in a chip design EndR. I would refer to my Intel anecdote on the previous page. Even the mightiest of the mighty can miss the mark, so it's one thing to say that we don't believe th erumor, but it's another to say it's just not possible because it's Microsoft and IBM.

 

[McFly]

and IBM, one of the biggest chipmakers out there.. would "suddenly" realize that they weren´t hitting their "proposed" targeted performance?

Initialy the Cell chip was planned with 32 SPE. Of course the difference here is that they changed the target long before the release, but targets always have to be high or you would not even have a chance to get something really fast at the end of development.

Fredi

 

[Carl B]

Initialy the Cell chip was planned with 32 SPE. Of course the difference here is that they changed the target long before the release, but targets always have to be high or you would not even have a chance to get something really fast at the end of development.

Fredi

Hey now, that was the 'Broadband Engine,' which was going to be four Cells.

 

[EndR]

I'm not saying I believe any of this as far as the rumor is concerned, but I don't know why you're equating money, power, and talent with success in a chip design EndR. I would refer to my Intel anecdote on the previous page. Even the mightiest of the mighty can miss the mark, so it's one thing to say that we don't believe th erumor, but it's another to say it's just not possible because it's Microsoft and IBM.

Well, of course it´s possible.. anything is possible, but the chances should be rather small. Both IBM and MS have been working together for a long time, since the beginning of 2002 IIRC.

Of course, im open for the chance that this is true, but I would take it with a grain of salt.. if MS suddenly changes the release-date for a "2006" or something, then I would believe it. MS wouldn´t want the power of the machine to be that much lower, that the differences to the others would be THAT apparent.. specially when they pushed Xbox so much because of its "more powerful than..."..

We´ll have just to see this one... it could be right, but.. chances should be "small".. also, you have to consider the "source", some "dude" from a forum.. anyone knows if he is reliable?

 

[Qroach]

you guys gotta stop reporitng on every post by a so called insider from Gaf.

 

[McFly]

Initialy the Cell chip was planned with 32 SPE. Of course the difference here is that they changed the target long before the release, but targets always have to be high or you would not even have a chance to get something really fast at the end of development.

Fredi

Hey now, that was the 'Broadband Engine,' which was going to be four Cells.

True. From that last Kutaragi interview, I think initialy the PS3 was expected to use the broadband engine, but after they knew that they would have to release at 90nm, they realised that the transistor count would be to high, so they changed the plan to what is now known as the cell chip.

Fredi

 

[EndR]

Regardings those Cell-performances.. come on. NO ONE ever believed that Sony would put a BE in the PS3 and all the other stuff and have it under 500 bucks.. it was all a very very wet dream for the performance-fanatics out there...

AFAIK, Sony itself never stated that they would have a BE in PS3... and they never did it either because they knew better.. cost-wise it would be = seppuku for the company...

 

[Carl B]

We´ll have just to see this one... it could be right, but.. chances should be "small".. also, you have to consider the "source", some "dude" from a forum.. anyone knows if he is reliable?

Oh sure, I agree with you there - I even said as much in my post. But you have to understand that for me, the mental excercise of discussing what this all means if it is true is what I myself enjoy, not necessarily wondering whether it's true. For that, I usually just assume it's in fact not true.

But... The rumor could be false, as in just BS, and yet still come to pass. So it's just another interesting scenario to discuss.

 

[Pozer]

you guys gotta stop reporitng on every post by a so called insider from Gaf.

agreed,

 

[Qroach]

This guy claims MS & IBM removed "path forwarding" from the CPU and that the yields are not good (causing the clock speed to be below 3Ghz).

That the heck is path forwarding?

 

[jvd]

I'm going to sign up at gaf and post that the ps3 is only hitting 30% of the performance they want . Wonder how fast you guys would talk about that here.


Its bs and in what a week we will know the truth

 

[Pozer]

you guys gotta stop reporitng on every post by a so called insider from Gaf.

agreed,

Oh sure, I agree with you there - I even said as much in my post. But you have to understand that for me, the mental excercise of discussing what this all means if it is true is what I myself enjoy, not necessarily wondering whether it's true. For that, I usually just assume it's in fact not true.

But... The rumor could be false, as in just BS, and yet still come to pass. So it's just another interesting scenario to discuss.

but I agree with this also.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Microsoft, the biggest software company in the world, with an enormous talent pool, in all areas..

Except writing stable, secure, effecient, reliable operating systems, which is their primary area of 'expertise' Neither have they any real insight in the hardware market, which is why XB earned such a HUGE loss. As has been said, IBMs come up with hopes for processors that have amounted to nothing, as has Intel who are the biggest CPU makers going.

Companies have targets, for growth, products, etc. And even the best companies in the world still get their estimations wrong.

 

[EndR]

Oh sure, I agree with you there - I even said as much in my post. But you have to understand that for me, the mental excercise of discussing what this all means if it is true is what I myself enjoy, not necessarily wondering whether it's true. For that, I usually just assume it's in fact not true.

But... The rumor could be false, as in just BS, and yet still come to pass. So it's just another interesting scenario to discuss.

Let us say that this is true, would this mean that a PPU-unit is more likely to be in the machine??.. maybe...

 

[rabidrabbit]

Oh jvd, the PS3 BS has been talked here on several occasions, don't pretend it's just the negattive xbox rumours that get the attention.
You should know, being the mod and all.

 

[EndR]

Microsoft, the biggest software company in the world, with an enormous talent pool, in all areas..

Except writing stable, secure, effecient, reliable operating systems, which is their primary area of 'expertise' Neither have they any real insight in the hardware market, which is why XB earned such a HUGE loss. As has been said, IBMs come up with hopes for processors that have amounted to nothing, as has Intel who are the biggest CPU makers going.

Companies have targets, for growth, products, etc. And even the best companies in the world still get their estimations wrong.

MS isn´t making GPUs either, but they are still one of biggest companies out there (if not the biggest) regarding graphic research and they usually present more breakthroughs in SIGGRAPH that most companies do..

but point taken..

 

[Carl B]

Let us say that this is true, would this mean that a PPU-unit is more likely to be in the machine??.. maybe...

Oh I'm thrilled to go down this road. 8)

Well, my opinion is 'no' - unless they knew well in advance what was going on. It would be pretty difficult to redo the entire motherboard layout to accomodate a PPC, and they'd have to have immediate, firm specs on what the PPC could do, transistor count, costs, etc...

I just don't think it would be likely. Maybe... it'd be possible to go to two CPU's? Each dual core rather than tri-core? Anyway I don't know - this is getting too speculative even for me!

 

[jvd]

Oh jvd, the PS3 BS has been talked here on several occasions, don't pretend it's just the negattive xbox rumours that get the attention.
You should know, being the mod and all.

I have yet to see a post from a forum user on another forum being discussed here about the ps3 hitting only 3 quaters of the performance they want .

The only thing that is ever talked about here in regards to sony is that it wont be a 1 tflop chip in the ps3 and that bluray might not happen (Cause there might not be bluray ! )

The pro sony portion of this website is by far the biggest and since psnext boards went down for awhile it was increasing a steady rate .