xbox360 not hitting planned goals?

[rusty]

just saw this posted (at GAF)and whilst i usually ignore such posts as rubbish, this guy didn't do all the normal things that make you immediately think "fake":

I'm gonna bury this here to avoid too much attention, but Xbox360 CPU performance is only 60-70% of what MS was expecting. Some early design decisions to knock out some key CPU logic is biting them in the ass now. That and IBM cannot yield as fast of cores at they thought they would be able to. Some developers are scrambling to get their games back up to playable in terms of FPS because of it.

That being said, I expect PS3 and Revolution to be easily more powerful than Xbox360.

Ya, I think MS just wanted too much too fast. Their cores aren't even 3.0gHz...which is the minimum they planned. By the time Sony/Nintendo come out, the technology will have come into its own.

I just do..but I'm done talking about it..I don't want to get anyone in trouble. It's not worth it when all this information will be public in just over a week.

so what do you make of it?

i just couldn't imagine IBM/microsoft making such a short sighted design decision that it would end up giving them only 60-70% of their predicted cpu performance.... 80-90% i could perhaps believe.

The bit that really gets me is where he said that developers are scrambling to get their games back up to playable fps because of it - afterall if the games suffer that's what counts, not paper specs.

so what say ye wise men.... fact, fiction or somewhere inbetween?


oh, and link here incase anyone wants it http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=46301&page=2[/quote]

 

[rabidrabbit]

Will it still be over 1 Teraflop?

 

[McFly]

Will it still be over 1 Teraflop?

Sure. Marketing numbers are virtual entities anyway, changes in reality don't have to affect them.

Fredi

 

[fulcizombie]

GAF is on a roll when it comes to "doom and gloom" for X360.Oh the smell of 2001 again.......it smells like....an unveiling of a MS console!!

 

[one]

Apparently the entire thread over there forms a joke around a fake Revolution spec.

 

[McFly]

Btw, this sounds a lot like the rumored two cores that take the place of the three core chip that was initialy planned. This and a lower frequency would get us those 60% or about ~50Gflops ... if this is true.

Fredi

 

[Nirey]

This does sound true in some sense, since MS is not a hardware company like us at Sony here. Couple that with MS rushing too fast to release, then maybe really Xbox 360 is a just "Xbox verison 1.5"

 

[rusty]

Will it still be over 1 Teraflop?

mcfly's answer to that was perfect


but yes gaming age forums is generally spiralling down to a cess pool of misinformation and fanboyism... again. this stood out as not-usual fanboi guff though.

This does sound true in some sense, since MS is not a hardware company like us at Sony here.

oh you aren't still going on with that rubbish are you? give it up already...

 

[PC-Engine]

This does sound true in some sense, since MS is not a hardware company like us at Sony here. Couple that with MS rushing too fast to release, then maybe really Xbox 360 is a just "Xbox verison 1.5"

Do you get discounts on SONY brand products since you work at SONY?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

i just couldn't imagine IBM/microsoft making such a short sighted design decision that it would end up giving them only 60-70% of their predicted cpu performance.... 80-90% i could perhaps believe.

That's certainly possible, because it's not a short-sighted decision but a technical decision/limitation. They had expectations of clock speeds, cores, instructions, that when they brought it all together, didn't make what they were hoping for, and produces something that's comparable with other multicore developments. Bear in mind the XenonCPU is still going to be a monster powerhouse by computing standards, even with a performance hit like this. Also bear in mind theres been no official word on XenonCPU, only 'leaks'.

Whether it's real or not, who knows? Though given Nirey's amazing technical insight, backed by both his intelligent hardware knowhow and his press pass that gives him insight to all things gaming hardware, I guess we must believe it!

 

[Carl B]

so what do you make of it?

i just couldn't imagine IBM/microsoft making such a short sighted design decision that it would end up giving them only 60-70% of their predicted cpu performance.... 80-90% i could perhaps believe.

Well, I think that whole post just has to be viewed as either heresay or BS, the question is which. But moving on to the question of IBM/Microsoft being short-sighted, I really don't think that's to hard to envision. When it comes to things like CPU fabbing and new architectures, you basically are makign a guess anyway as to where you think you will be with things in a years time, and I totally believe that MS and IBM might have guessed wrong.

Look at Intel's massive investments into Netburst, only to see the entire thing unravel with Prescott. Now, you KNOW that that thing didn't go down as planned, but then again, sometimes the plan can't be stuck to.

If this ends up being true though, brutal blow to Microsoft.

 

[kyetech]

NIREY STFU with the 'we' us' sony crap.

you idiot,

 

[rusty]

That's certainly possible, because it's not a short-sighted decision but a technical decision/limitation. They had expectations of clock speeds, cores, instructions, that when they brought it all together, didn't make what they were hoping for

so, who's getting fired?


well, guess we'll find out everything pretty soon!

 

[Teasy]

Well GC's GPU performance did end up being 75% of what it was planned to be. This kind of thing can happen when your not just picking already created parts off a shelf.

 

[Carl B]

True, and even XBox's GPU wasn't where they wanted it to be, due to yield issues. But it makes me wonder how much this will hurt the Xenon - I mean remember, J Allard the lord of hyperbole himself even said that this time, the consoles would be CPU bound. I mean, what the hell? If that is actually the case for the 360 - than firstly it means the R500 is a monster (which we all kind of expected), but also that it just took a significant hit to peak performance.

 

[Pozer]

This does sound true in some sense, since MS is not a hardware company like us at Sony here. Couple that with MS rushing too fast to release, then maybe really Xbox 360 is a just "Xbox verison 1.5"

You mean an appliance company. jk. Does make sense. Tri-core 3ghz did sound a little exotic to say the least. IBM has a long history of promising apple certain clock speeds and then delivering something else. I still think MS should have partnered with AMD this round.

I still find a hard time believing all these forum 'leaks' lately. There seems to be too much fanboyism behind them. Everybody and their brother works for Sony or Nintendo now or is developing a next gen game and knows all.

Time to toss in that PPU now.

 

[jlippone]

Will it still be over 1 Teraflop?

Yes, im pretty sure it will go over 1Tf/m, but i expect both ps3 and revolution to to be able to do it as well.

 

[ChryZ]

Attention X360 personnel, you are now leaving safe haven of x86, welcome to the world of custom designs ... enter the madness and please enjoy your stay

 

[London Geezer]

Will it still be over 1 Teraflop?

Yes, im pretty sure it will go over 1Tf/m, but i expect both ps3 and revolution to to be able to do it as well.

1 Terfalop per minute???

Good god, this board is going down lately... Some of the things some people say... Nirey first and foremost...

 

[_phil_]

Btw, this sounds a lot like the rumored two cores that take the place of the three core chip that was initialy planned

this is what i heard too (from inside).That was the price for extra ram (?)