XBox One, PS4, DRM, and You

[Tap In]

And, you can't if the publisher doesn't allowed it.

as I said, that is a shoe yet to drop IMO, you may see half of the big games have used sales restrictions on PS4 publisher edict (with retailer)...



David Jaffe tweeted the night Ms revealed its policy that "Devs would prefer to absolutely restrict rental and used games in the 2 month release window"

so they did not say anything tonight that would stop that as well as pubs specifically having restrictions... you guys can get high on the bubbles tonight, I grant you that, but this is a long long process, with lots of turns.

 

[astrograd]

Wait so publishers can stop you trading in physical copies of games?.

If Sony is using their RFID tech, yes. And it would be in entirely inline with their carefully worded PR responses since February too. Ya don't go online, but pubs can still block used games, limit the number of consoles the game is playable on, and control lending. They can even limit access based on play throughs, levels, or game time.

I think it was famousmortimer on GAF (good track record) who said he was told recently that Sony was using RFID for their DRM strategy. If you review everything Sony has said thus far, you will be disappointed in how much sense that makes.

 

[eastmen]

we are talking about digital download.

And, you can't if the publisher doesn't allowed it.

you also can't trade it in if gamestop doesn't allow it . Gamestop will stop taking in games based on inventory the same as amazon.

So its really not much different than before. We also don't know if publishers can stop you from trading in ps4 titles.

 

[Betanumerical]

If Sony is using their RFID tech, yes. And it would be in entirely inline with their carefully worded PR responses since February too. Ya don't go online, but pubs can still block used games, limit the number of consoles the game is playable on, and control lending. They can even limit access based on play throughs, levels, or game time.

I think it was famousmortimer on GAF (good track record) who said he was told recently that Sony was using RFID for their DRM strategy. If you review everything Sony has said thus far, you will be disappointed in how much sense that makes.

I'm not talking about speculating on what one company might be doing, I mean one what we know they are doing right now.

As it stands right now, I cannot trade a physical game hand to hand with a friend on the XBONE correct?.

I don't think blocking resale is even legal in some countries

 

[Tap In]

Again. Microsoft has never said they will allow sale of digital downloads. They have only ever been talking about added restrictions on disc transfers relative to last gen.

no official word yet, but they mentioned it the night of the reveal and there was a rumor it is coming once they are ready to announce it... it may be in the form of a Gamestop marketplace on LIVE or an Ms store... but there is much more to come, they have made that clear

 

[Kb-Smoker]

as I said, that is a shoe yet to drop IMO, you may see half of the big games have used sales restrictions on PS4 publisher edict (with retailer)...



David Jaffe tweeted the night Ms revealed its policy that "Devs want to absolutely restrict rental and used games in the 2 month release window"

so they did not say anything tonight that would stop that as well as pubs specifically having restrictions... you guys can get high on the bubbles tonight, I grant you that, but this is a long long process, with lots of turns.

You can keep saying this but if you have a game console that doesnt require to be online. There is no way anyone can check anything. You have to be online for any checks to work. This why they have went with online passes since you have to be online to play.

Can you just think about all the returns if you have an online check for a game thats on a console that can be play offline. It would just be stupid....

So i go and buy a game and have to check in on a console that could not even have the internet at all? How does that work? This is why MS had to have 24 hour check. Without that the whole system falls apart.

The backlash would be massive.....

no official word yet, but they mentioned it the night of the reveal and there was a rumor it is coming once they are ready to announce it... it may be in the form of a Gamestop marketplace on LIVE or an Ms store... but there is much more to come, they have made that clear

do you have a link to back that up? I see that reported no where.

If Sony is using their RFID tech, yes. And it would be in entirely inline with their carefully worded PR responses since February too. Ya don't go online, but pubs can still block used games, limit the number of consoles the game is playable on, and control lending. They can even limit access based on play throughs, levels, or game time.

I think it was famousmortimer on GAF (good track record) who said he was told recently that Sony was using RFID for their DRM strategy. If you review everything Sony has said thus far, you will be disappointed in how much sense that makes.

You still need an online check to confirm the disc is playable. With out that the whole system is useless.

 

[Tap In]

You can keep saying this but if you have a game console that doesnt require to be online. There is no way anyone can check anything. You have to be online for any checks to work. This why they have went with online passes since you have to be online to play.

Can you just think about all the returns if you have an online check for a game thats on a console that can be play offline. It would just be stupid....

So i go and buy a game and have to check in on a console that could not even have the internet at all? How does that work? This is why MS had to have 24 hour check. Without that the whole system falls apart.

The backlash would be massive.....

in that regard, yes you are correct, but a Pub telling all the retailers like Gamestop that their game is not tradable/rentable for the first x number of days would be possible or they risk their partnerships just as they adhere to sell dates now.

yes, if PS4 has no system in place to verify games than they could probably not block them altogether unless a pub tells gamestop do not take our games as trade ever or sell used on PS4... and certainly not in hand to hand sales...

 

[Silent_Buddha]

This is only for disc based games...

Yup that's what I get for not going directly to Microsoft's site to read the policy and instead reading what a gaming site posted about it. Bleh.

Evidently it's something Microsoft wants to do, but they have to work out the details on how to do it with the publishers and potentially with retailers.

Regards,
SB

 

[trainplane]

I would much rather not have DRM, but it is the future unfortunately. The PS4 is probably the last console to not have it.

But there are some benefits of the Xbox One such as not having to put the disk in after install. That's something I've really enjoyed with Steam. But again, I'd give that up for not having DRM.

My question is, I wonder if MS has a backdoor to disable the daily checkin after 6 months or so of a game's life. After 6 months to a year, the publisher is not getting much revenue anyway.

 

[AzBat]

As it stands right now, I cannot trade a physical game hand to hand with a friend on the XBONE correct?.

No, you will be able to give(not loan) your game to a friend, but there are restrictions. The publisher will have to allow it(Microsoft Game Studios says they will, but can't speak for 3rd party publishers). The friend has to be on your Friends List for at least 30 days. And it can only be done once.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Tommy McClain

 

[eastmen]

So does the ps4 allow you to play games without a disc ?

 

[Kb-Smoker]

So does the ps4 allow you to play games without a disc ?

Only if you buy them online it looks like....

 

[Arwin]

So does the ps4 allow you to play games without a disc ?

Sony has had day and date digital downloads for a while now, but if you can unlock a digital dl with a disc has not yet been discussed.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

in that regard, yes you are correct, but a Pub telling all the retailers like Gamestop that their game is not tradable/rentable for the first x number of days would be possible or they risk their partnerships just as they adhere to sell dates now.

yes, if PS4 has no system in place to verify games than they could probably not block them altogether and certainly not in hand to hand sales...unless a pub tells gamestop do not take our games as trade ever or sell used of PS4

There's also the possibility of publisher's releasing more timed exclusives on the platform that helps them out.

If it is indeed true that developers want at least a 2 month window of limited resale on games, it's entirely possible they could accomplish that just as well by making all future titles have a 2 month exclusivity (or however long they decide) on Xbox One.

I could see this potentially becoming the case if they start to see more sales of games on Xbox One even if it ends up with a significantly lower user base.

Regards,
SB

 

[DrJay24]

So does the ps4 allow you to play games without a disc ?

Ya buy the DD version. It seems the PS4 follows the Vita model. DD day one for those who want the convenience and discs for the rest.

 

[AlNom]

Would it not be viable for MS to dish out time-trial codes a.k.a. digital rentals ?

 

[eastmen]

Ya buy the DD version. It seems the PS4 follows the Vita model. DD day one for those who want the convenience and discs for the rest.

sounds like a crappy system when a game is 50 gigs instead of 1-4 gigs.

 

[Tap In]

Sony has had day and date digital downloads for a while now, but if you can unlock a digital dl with a disc has not yet been discussed.

would be impossible unless they have a way to physically disable the disc otherwise one purchase could fuel multiple downloads, unless a code comes with each disc and can only be used once and even then you end up having two copies authorized from one disc which no sane company would plan to do

 

[MrFox]

Bluray has a serial number for each disc.
Sony also have an RFID tech patent, they could use that to identify discs.

 

[Tap In]

Would it not be viable for MS to dish out time-trial codes a.k.a. digital rentals ?
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yes I'm thinking the reason they have not announced any rental partnerships is for this reason, again this is like the germination stage, this could evolve. it's all new ground MS is travelling here