XBox One, PS4, DRM, and You

[brasnial]

I think the alternative will end up being much better, publishers will screw Gamestop and give all pre-release incentives to digital purchases since those can't be resold. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some games be released digitally a week or two before their physical release. Would it piss off Gamestop? Absolutely. Is there anything they can do about it? Nope. Saying "we won't carry your game" will have less and less power as time goes on in this generation.

The real genius part will come when games are automatically installed from disc when you go over to a friend's house. After they leave (taking your disc), you'll still see the data on your hard drive and the system will likely prompt you and say "Would you like to buy this game?" BOOM. Instant digital sale with no waiting PLUS it screws Gamestop. Ingenious.

I hope your right only time will tell as I feel us gamers got screwed here because of protecting the bottom line .
By that I mean in my opinion we lost a digital future with the same benifits of disks .....sharing .....gifting.....renting ......and reselling .

 

[Davros]

Then blame microsoft, they have the power to give everyone what they want.
ps: Angry Joe has a message for you not safe for work (swearing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXdWRJ-xb4

 

[MrFox]

I will point to my very first post in this thread.

Anyone think a few people in an obscure forum really had that much power over an industry of billions of dollar?
Or was it simply a realization from late market research that lead to the reversal?
Game journalists?
Several microsoft PR mistakes?
Sony E3 biggest cheers in history?
Gamers joining NoDRM campaign?
Preorders numbers?
Negative media exposure?
EA throwing them under the bus?
Angry Joe?

Or all of the above?
(respect for Angry Joe, he's probably banned from MS media event for life, he rocks)

It's always about money. A lot of things affects money. Everything affects money. It's all of the above.

(What does "senior member" means? Did I acquire some intrinsic leniency from the mods as a shield for my emotional outbursts? Round numbers must have symbolic significance)

 

[Davros]

Probably all of the above.

 

[brasnial]

I don't know the truth about any of this ....I've already said I can't wait for the book that I have no doult will come out in a few years telling all that went on behind the scenes .

I think when we read that book we will be shocked by what we find out some people may come out of it looking good others may come out of it not looking so good .

Remember as gamers we are all on the same side here really you think we dodge a bullet ......I think we may have lost a more free digital future than we will eventually end up with .

There is no right or wrong here there is no good guy or bad guy from my point of view Microsoft's ideas for a digital future where not that bad for me for you they were.

Maybe if Microsoft had just had two forms of the machine one no disk drive one with .....and one policy like Sony's for the disk machine and there original plans for there digital games .
There would have been no internet moral crusade to protect everyone's rights because there would have been no problem to divide gamers on.

Remember we are all gamers first .......in my Retro collection I have games and machines from nearly every company that has ever dipped its toes into this hobby of mine I have no agenda here other than to chat we others about the topics of the day who enjoy the same hobby as me .

 

[-tkf-]

It is what if is now we lost a digital future that gave us nearly all the same benifits of disk based gaming .

-SNIP-

Sony I'm looking at you .

And i am looking at you, it is PAINFULLY obvious that we didn't lose anything at all, what we were close to losing on the other hand was far more.

And it's very very easy, Sony and Microsoft could choose to supply us with DD with all the mentioned possibilities of sharing, selling whatever.

And disc based games with the right to resell on the 2nd hand market.

So, the only pain is for those that have to buy discs because they are bandwidth limited.

 

[function]

Remember as gamers we are all on the same side here really you think we dodge a bullet ......I think we may have lost a more free digital future than we will eventually end up with .

Appeasing is not a strategy that wins you anything against any body who's sole concern is profit. They want more. They always want more.

They weren't going to let us have nice things in the future just because we let them fuck us now.

 

[brasnial]

And i am looking at you, it is PAINFULLY obvious that we didn't lose anything at all, what we were close to losing on the other hand was far more.

And it's very very easy, Sony and Microsoft could choose to supply us with DD with all the mentioned possibilities of sharing, selling whatever.

And disc based games with the right to resell on the 2nd hand market.

So, the only pain is for those that have to buy discs because they are bandwidth limited.

I feel for countries who internet supplies are trying to screw them over with internet caps .
That's a demestic problem that will only change when one internet supplier offers no data cap and starts picking up customers .

You see we all can find things to support our piont of view I could say well no worries if you have hit your data cap then just play the game on the share feature if you friends got it until your caps reset .

You see for me Microsoft's were forward thinking as I believe this is the last time we will see a games machine with a disk drive .

You see i was OK with Microsoft's policies so if I think about it I can come up with away around issues the same if your against Microsoft's policies you can find things you think are wrong .

The fact is its about what works for each individual the majority spoke Microsoft back tracked the minority lost

I was in the minority who liked the idea of no more disks ...family sharing ......I could see a digital market with trade ins on old games ..digital renting because it all made business sense to inpliment these features .

But democracy works on majority rule the majority spoke and those in the minority like me lost the features they liked .
Its doesn't mean the majority where right or the minority was wrong there was just personal opinions based on personal choice .

My only hope is in the future we will still have the freedom of the disk based system when we finally go digital

 

[function]

I was in the minority who liked the idea of no more disks ...family sharing ......

No. No, you weren't. Everyone liked those ideas.

 

[-tkf-]

I feel for countries who internet supplies are trying to screw them over with internet caps .
That's a demestic problem that will only change when one internet supplier offers no data cap and starts picking up customers .

You see we all can find things to support our piont of view I could say well no worries if you have hit your data cap then just play the game on the share feature if you friends got it until your caps reset .

You see for me Microsoft's were forward thinking as I believe this is the last time we will see a games machine with a disk drive .

You see i was OK with Microsoft's policies so if I think about it I can come up with away around issues the same if your against Microsoft's policies you can find things you think are wrong .

The fact is its about what works for each individual the majority spoke Microsoft back tracked the minority lost

I was in the minority who liked the idea of no more disks ...family sharing ......I could see a digital market with trade ins on old games ..digital renting because it all made business sense to inpliment these features .

But democracy works on majority rule the majority spoke and those in the minority like me lost the features they liked .
Its doesn't mean the majority where right or the minority was wrong there was just personal opinions based on personal choice .

My only hope is in the future we will still have the freedom of the disk based system when we finally go digital

So you can accept that there is a problem with DD because of bandwidth caps but the 24 hour check/always on "Feature" is just as big a problem for those with limited access.
If Microsoft wants they can sell DD discs that work as a DLC for a small download from their Live store. There is plenty of alternative solutions, Microsoft just decided to kill all the positives when they reintroduced the tradeable disc.

 

[blakjedi]

Then blame microsoft, they have the power to give everyone what they want.
ps: Angry Joe has a message for you not safe for work (swearing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXdWRJ-xb4

That's just stupid. Why doesn't Sony with all of their newly minted goodwill provide the "perfect" solution? They have the gaming world in their hands right now...

 

[Nesh]

That's just stupid. Why doesn't Sony with all of their newly minted goodwill provide the "perfect" solution? They have the gaming world in their hands right now...

Why is Sony's incompetence to provide a perfect solution is an excuse to accept an imperfect solution from MS?

 

[blakjedi]

Why is Sony's incompetence to provide a perfect solution is an excuse to accept an imperfect solution from MS?

Davros' post said blame MS. Blame them? For what? For getting incessantly slammed by people who were never going to buy the console anyway? As imperfect as polls can be, something like 48% of the people on this forum clicked "was never going to buy an Xbox one and still won't."

I'm sure quite a few of those folks were energetically arguing against the Xbox ones DRM as being "draconian"... Yet their voices drowned out those of us who saw very few problems with the old DRM. Sony didn't have to do a thing. In fact they trumpeted their zero solution. LOL and people applauded.

I only blame MS for not having balls.

 

[Nesh]

Davros' post said blame MS. Blame them? For what? For getting incessantly slammed by people who were never going to buy the console anyway? As imperfect as polls can be, something like 48% of the people on this forum clicked "was never going to buy an Xbox one and still won't."

I'm sure quite a few of those folks were energetically arguing against the Xbox ones DRM as being "draconian"... Yet their voices drowned out those of us who saw very few problems with the old DRM. Sony didn't have to do a thing. In fact they trumpeted their zero solution. LOL and people applauded.

I only blame MS for not having balls.

People who were eager to buy the next XBOX and pissed at MS for the old DRM policy were way more than what you are trying to convey. And yes Sony's "no solution" was much more preferred than MS "solution". Hence why the same people applauded MS change of DRM policy and now are happy to be XBOXone owners

 

[blakjedi]

People who were eager to buy the next XBOX and pissed at MS for the old DRM policy were way more than what you are trying to convey. And yes Sony's "no solution" was much more preferred than MS "solution". Hence why the same people applauded MS change of DRM policy and now are happy to be XBOXone owners

There's no way to know that. None.

 

[JPT]

Seriously people are blaming Sony for the MS "fiasco"? Wow

IMHO I think MS showed little spine, they could have gone a head with the scheme anyway. Or even just tweaked it a little, games bough on disc and installed form disc, do not need to have the online check.
But needs to have disc in the tray, is this very unreasonable?

And I think Sony made to much out of it, but they seized an opportunity and exploited what was perceived as public opinion.

Personally, I hate have to swap discs, so all my purchases are DD now, I stopped buying games if their are not DD on the day of release for my PS3.
But I never have resold or bought a used game, game discs I am done with I usually just give away.

 

[blakjedi]

Seriously people are blaming Sony for the MS "fiasco"? Wow

IMHO I think MS showed little spine, they could have gone a head with the scheme anyway. Or even just tweaked it a little, games bough on disc and installed form disc, do not need to have the online check.
But needs to have disc in the tray, is this very unreasonable?

And I think Sony made to much out of it, but they seized an opportunity and exploited what was perceived as public opinion.

Personally, I hate have to swap discs, so all my purchases are DD now, I stopped buying games if their are not DD on the day of release for my PS3.
But I never have resold or bought a used game, game discs I am done with I usually just give away.

Who said that?

 

[BRiT]

Seriously people are blaming Sony for the MS "fiasco"?.

Who said that?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/tags.php?tag=i+blame+sony

 

[function]

Davros' post said blame MS. Blame them? For what? For getting incessantly slammed by people who were never going to buy the console anyway?

Continuing to say that doesn't make it true.

I still have an Xbox 1 (fantastic machine), still have my second 360 (first one RODDED) and still have a Gold membership. Their DRM system was so needlessly awful that it turned me away from the Xbox brand. Now they've U turned (after weeks of bullshit from professional bullshitters) I'll consider getting one again.

MS obviously thought there were others like me.

You should stop with this angle of "weren't going to buy the console anyway".

 

[zupallinere]

So you can accept that there is a problem with DD because of bandwidth caps but the 24 hour check/always on "Feature" is just as big a problem for those with limited access.

And let's not forget the Power of The Cloud and it's effect on bandwidth caps.

So for the fans of the MS Digital Future One plan the benefit is for those folks that have bandwidth and bandwidth caps that are good enough for always-on and CLOUD but aren't good enough for downloading the games in their entirety AND hate discs or disc swapping once they get enough discs to notice how much they hate disc swapping. Wonder that that Venn Diagram looks like ?