It sounds stoopid.Why don't people like GiB/s
We've used gigabytes long enough to overload the prefix with suitable clarity. It was only those damned HDD manufacturers that messed it up.
Xbox One (Durango) Technical hardware investigation
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We've used gigabytes long enough to overload the prefix with suitable clarity. It was only those damned HDD manufacturers that messed it up.dragonelite
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Strange that microsoft didn't disclosed something about the SHAPE processor in the box.
Or is it something the other consoles also have?
Inbe4 its in the cloud
Or is it something the other consoles also have?
Inbe4 its in the cloud
A Jaguar core can issue 6 ops per cycle -- two memory, two int alu, and two fpu/simd ops. However, it can only decode two, and retire two, so the average rate cannot ever go above two.
The primary reason for the 6-wide issue is that between decode and retire the separate pipelines are effectively independent and there's no reason they shouldn't be able to issue in parallel. However, being able to issue more than you can sustain in the long term does have some advantages, notably, a bad data stall will cause your execution to stall until the data arrives, while the decode parts can happily run forward until all the queues and buffers are full. When the data arrives, being able to issue more ops means you can clear these queues, and the retire can again catch up the next time you stall.
So basically, having more issue resources means that you can get closer to the max of 2 in practice.
Of course, picking the number 6 in particular is just the kind of "xbox 360 gpu has x TFlops" we all know and love from the past gen. There are many numbers that made varying amount of sense, this one got picked because it's the biggest one.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/2
anand has a look at xbone hardware analysis, and it's written by anand who i typically find insightful. still looking, but already found this
Although necessarily superficial, looks like another excellently well done article by Anand.
anand has a look at xbone hardware analysis, and it's written by anand who i typically find insightful. still looking, but already found this
Although necessarily superficial, looks like another excellently well done article by Anand.
There was talk on the XB One architecture panel about how the GPU had multiple threads for graphics and compute jobs alike. They specifically mentioned collision detection as an obvious GPGPU job.
On the software side, MS is further ahead than Sony with their C++ AMP framework, where you can build apps that involve both the CPU and the GPU.
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At a minimum XB1 should have the same ACE configuration as GCN.
I would like to reply to this, no "X does better then Y" but I would go OT
BTW DF just made an article here.
Could be IR connector...
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if where going off vgleaks they seem to be rather different.
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http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-gpu-2/
Which seems to be a standard GCN set of ACE's
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Sound is not a system seller and both consoles will sound great.
Maybe bkilian can clarify (maybe not lol) but shape is more about kinect than actual sound we hear. Shape includes all the kinect stuff first leaked by vgleaks as seperate items I think
As far as what I read, you are wrong. A small piece of SHAPE was supposed to be echo/noise cancellation for Kinect. The rest of it is all about game audio.
Yes, that's what I said.
Didn't compare to PS4.Betanumerical
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Yes, that's what I said.
Oh balls, its too late here, ill take that as the hint to sleep.
Edit :. And either way they are atleast slightly different
with the high priority queue and all.
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Hmmm...this quote from Anandtech seems interesting:
"Although 32MB doesn't sound like much, if it is indeed used as a cache (with the frame buffer kept in main memory) it’s actually enough to have a substantial hit rate in current workloads (although there’s not much room for growth)........If it’s used as a cache, the embedded SRAM should significantly cut down on GPU memory bandwidth requests which will give the GPU much more bandwidth than the 256-bit DDR3-2133 memory interface would otherwise imply. Depending on how the eSRAM is managed, it’s very possible that the Xbox One could have comparable effective memory bandwidth to the PlayStation 4. If the eSRAM isn't managed as a cache however, this all gets much more complicated."
From the way I understand it, the eSRAM in the XO isn't software managed but a true cache. That is, it is transparent to the developer unlike the eDRAM in the 360. Anand seems to be hitting the point ERP and Gubbi were making about the flexibility of the eSRAM and its potential benefits. My question is; how does this cut down on the GPU memory bandwidth request?
"Although 32MB doesn't sound like much, if it is indeed used as a cache (with the frame buffer kept in main memory) it’s actually enough to have a substantial hit rate in current workloads (although there’s not much room for growth)........If it’s used as a cache, the embedded SRAM should significantly cut down on GPU memory bandwidth requests which will give the GPU much more bandwidth than the 256-bit DDR3-2133 memory interface would otherwise imply. Depending on how the eSRAM is managed, it’s very possible that the Xbox One could have comparable effective memory bandwidth to the PlayStation 4. If the eSRAM isn't managed as a cache however, this all gets much more complicated."
From the way I understand it, the eSRAM in the XO isn't software managed but a true cache. That is, it is transparent to the developer unlike the eDRAM in the 360. Anand seems to be hitting the point ERP and Gubbi were making about the flexibility of the eSRAM and its potential benefits. My question is; how does this cut down on the GPU memory bandwidth request?
I still have some things I need to learn about the move engines but doesn't it seem logical that the ESRAM would function as a cache since they already have the move engines managing data? This at least makes sense to me as they could quickly end up over engineering the solution otherwise.
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Any tip about what do MS refers to when talking about Kinect natural language processing?.Seing the conference it still seems similar to spoken commands ala old version of google search and not Siri alike in which you can say "i would like to see a film" instead of explicit command "Xbox watch film".I supposee Bkillian could know about whether there is truly natural language processing as well as speech recognition processing.
By the way the speech recognition of the conference was astounding, the improvements MS has done in this with deep learning make it similar to google's now assistant and way better than Siri's nuance.
By the way the speech recognition of the conference was astounding, the improvements MS has done in this with deep learning make it similar to google's now assistant and way better than Siri's nuance.
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Like I said, the eSRAM can be used as cache; the vgleaks article and the Durango paper points to this. It can also be used as a framebuffer if a dev wants to. The DMEs seems to be there to assist both use.
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