XBox One and Windows 10 Programs [UWP, X0, W10]

[Deleted member 11852]

Why not do that for XB1 too?

Maybe they will but it could be a USP that will help sell Scorpio.

 

[Michellstar]

believe it was hacked using powershell.
Xbox is already running win10, uwp apps, not full uwp games but that's coming this year.

personally I think pc lite doesn't require the desktop or win32.
straight away if you allow win32 and desktop then they may as well forget about 90% of their Xbox revenue.

Running straight win32 apps not packaged into UWP would open a can of worms lol
It would be a vector of hacking XBO I believe, never ever they would allow it.

Full UWP games are coming? nice, with access to the full memory and cpu cores? Thanks

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Running straight win32 apps not packaged into UWP would open a can of worms lol. It would be a vector of hacking XBO I believe, never ever they would allow it.

This is no different to Windows.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

This is no different to Windows.

And hence why an Xbox console will never run full desktop mode. It will always be a walled garden limited to UWP apps just because of security concerns and Microsoft not wanting to open up the console to hacking which in turn would lead to piracy of games.

Regards,
SB

 

[Michellstar]

This is no different to Windows.

Yep, In part they would love every dev to move from W32, but massive legacy support, has its price.

Anyway, Ms IMO is not going to give in their walletgarden

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Anyway, Ms IMO is not going to give in their walletgarden

And the reason why this would be pointless is that there is fuck all in Microsoft's garden that your average person would care about.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

And the reason why this would be pointless is that there is fuck all in Microsoft's garden that your average person would care about.

Are you saying that no one cares about the games in the Microsoft walled garden that is Xbox? After all, all consoles are basically just a device with a very small walled garden. People not caring about the walled garden in Windows is irrelevant to Xbox. Although Microsoft is hoping that exposing UWP apps on Xbox may help change that perception.

The Xbox as a brand is a home console. Whether it runs Windows or a subset of Windows, it remains a console. As a console it's main attraction is being able to play games at a reasonable price (compared to most gaming PCs) with as little complications as possible. That latter has changed significantly in the past few years (day 1 patches, frequent patching, etc.) But it still presents a relatively trouble free gaming environment. That operates within a very small walled garden.

Xbox using Windows as the underlying OS doesn't change that. It's still a console. As such it inherits all those console-y things, such as being a walled garden primarily used to deliver gaming experiences. Sure it may include other services outside of that (music has long been a staple for consoles, movies as well with the more recent consoles) and MS may be looking at expanding the role of those services. But the point is that Xbox will still be a console and hence will still operate within a walled garden that is primarily concerned with offering a relatively trouble free gaming experience.

If people want a low cost budget PC, MS is never going to make one of those. Xbox won't be it, because it's sold as a console and not as a PC, regardless of whether it has a PC OS and runs on PC hardware. And that's further reinforced by Microsoft's commitment to their OEM partners, who make the bulk of their sales in budget and mid-range PCs.

Microsoft isn't interested in competing with their OEM partners. Hence Surface is a premium device that no OEM wanted to make prior to Microsoft making one. And now that they do want to make them, due to its success, Microsoft is happy to allow OEMs to copy its design as much as they wish.

That's the most important things to remember when considering what direction Xbox may take in the future.

1. Microsoft won't compete with their OEM partners if it can be avoided.
2. Xbox will be sold and marketed as a console, and not a PC. And that places all sorts of limitations on what it can do and more importantly on how open it can be.

That said, I'm absolutely with you on wishing the Xbox could eventually offer a full desktop experience. I just don't see any situation where this would be possible. Even if Microsoft exits the console market allowing them to open up the Xbox as a full desktop experience, they won't do so since it competes with their OEMs. And if they opened it up to their OEMs, the OEMs would have little incentive to make it as they wouldn't have the games royalty to make up for whatever small hardware margins might exist.

Regards,
SB

 

[mpg1]

The "walled gardens" on consoles is effectively what makes the AAA video game industry work from an economic point view...

 

[AlNom]

And the reason why this would be pointless is that there is fuck all in Microsoft's garden that your average person would care about.

If only they had cross-platform DLC support for DOA5 (since 360), or even DOA5 on WinStore for that matter.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Are you saying that no one cares about the games in the Microsoft walled garden that is Xbox?

No, I'm referring to UWP. Win32 being an open field full of sunshine, butterflies and unicorns.

 

[Arwin]

Don't forget though that Microsoft's next big thing in the mobile space is adding hardware assisted Win32 emulation to the version of Windows currently running on phones, so that phones too can become full portable Windows PCs, supporting various new variations on the continuum dock.

Personally though I think initially Microsoft will just try to see where the device can go as a walled garden version of Windows 10 device that can run apps from the store only. That said, game mode on Windows may well aim to bring the two together completely.

 

[Michellstar]

No, I'm referring to UWP. Win32 being an open field full of sunshine, butterflies and unicorns.

I was talking about Xbox, becoming an full windows machine in the last paragrph

 

[ProspectorPete]

Playstation has a lot of console exclusives over Xbox. What if Xbox Scorpio gets the ability to run W10 games (maybe only UWP), would that make business sense? For gamers it would close the gap. Any thoughts?

 

[Jay]

Playstation has a lot of console exclusives over Xbox. What if Xbox Scorpio gets the ability to run W10 games (maybe only UWP), would that make business sense? For gamers it would close the gap. Any thoughts?

not going to go into which platform has x amount of exclusives.
but Xbox can already play uwp games, fallout shelter is an example, and later this year it will be able to play full uwp games.
fallout shelter wasn't actually made for xbox, it works because it's uwp

 

[ProspectorPete]

not going to go into which platform has x amount of exclusives.
but Xbox can already play uwp games, fallout shelter is an example, and later this year it will be able to play full uwp games.
fallout shelter wasn't actually made for xbox, it works because it's uwp

Nioh or Nier:Automata -level exclusives could mean a big shift!!!

 

[Rikimaru]

I doubt many devs will make Steam and UWP versions. Especially japanese.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

not going to go into which platform has x amount of exclusives.
but Xbox can already play uwp games, fallout shelter is an example, and later this year it will be able to play full uwp games.
fallout shelter wasn't actually made for xbox, it works because it's uwp

Something I could see is more indie developers that develop either only for PC or for PC first jumping on this to get access to consoles.

So right now, there's a lot of indie titles (some of them extremely good) that either never make it to consoles or make it to consoles after 1-2 years. UWP would allow them to get on consoles (Xbox) much sooner or at all as it lowers how much development work must be put in to get access to the console (Xbox) market relative to their primary market (PC).

On the flip side, for the relatively few indie developers that only develop for console or are console first, it gives them easy access to the PC market.

Regards,
SB

 

[ProspectorPete]

In theory; if I buy Max Payne 3 on the Windows 10 store, I could log onto my Scorpio and download/play it there?

 

[Jay]

I doubt many devs will make Steam and UWP versions. Especially japanese.

Platinum Games explains why there are no plans for Nier: Automata on Xbox One [Update]
http://windowscentral.com/any-hopes-nier-automata-coming-xbox-one-appear-have-been-killed

has been updated (at bottom) to point to article saying it depends how well it does on ps4 & pc. Not something I'd be holding breath over personally

 

[Silent_Buddha]

In theory; if I buy Max Payne 3 on the Windows 10 store, I could log onto my Scorpio and download/play it there?

Assuming it's a Play Anywhere title. IE - has to be the current UWP.

It's unknown whether older pre-UWP Windows 10 Store games/apps will run on Project Scorpio. If I had to take a guess, I'd think probably not. However, if Project Scorpio is more like a standard PC under the hood (OS, etc.), then there wouldn't be a reason why it couldn't run older non UWP Windows Store titles. Well other than things like Xbox controller support.

Regards,
SB