XBox 360 Emulators for the PC

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  1. orangpelupa

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    The physical media is easily read with liteon drive though.
     
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    It's not about only reading the media, it's about having exactly the timing and angular differences on the sectors required to pass the security checks.
     
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    Official, wow, Is that still going? I'd love to play some of my Xbox games again.
     
  4. Cyan

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    It's not afaik. It was part of the Xbox 360, many games of the first Xbox worked. I played Fable, Ninja Gaiden Black and the original Forza on it.

    Put your original Xbox disks on the X360 and maybe you can play one of these games.

    http://support.xbox.com/en-GB/xbox-on-other-devices/original-console/play-original-games

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    Part two, it didn't fit before (there is a Jurassic Park game even :) ):
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    From brief memory there are a couple of measurements taken which for pirates are stored on disk, to try and fake a legit disk you need per disk extraction and randomness added to simulate real life and avoid detection via xbox live.

    That is not a concern here and a single "valid" responce could be baked into the emulator i would think, the least possible to execute the code. That would allow you to play your own dvd games.
     
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    That might explain why the XBLA games are all demos... Interesting. I wonder if you can create an ISO of a downloaded game and make it work in the emulator.
     
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    Yup, however from my memory (now its been a long time since using kreon firmware and injecting my own security sectors) there were multiple version of the valid response sectors. I dont remember if they were backwards compatible. I do remember having to pull down updated versions for newer games and using those values instead of the older values.

    And there was also the yearly forced update of the xbox optical drive firmware to cope with newer security measures, but that shouldnt be impacted here.

    Its just a large task in and of itself to tackle, that I doubt they really covered it. Then again maybe they had to in order to get anything able to test and run.
     
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    Xbla purchased status is a flag in the executable when you buy a game you download a new patched ver, this has a signature so on retail manual tinkering would break it, how the emulator handles this is a mystery but you could patch a demo to test, there where some file explorers released i think but no doubt there is an automated tool from the dark side but thats less educational.
     
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    I assume they have to emulate the drive to just make it work,the hacked firmware is probably easier to get than the retail and i believe one of the very early drives did not actually do the later security so emulating that would mean you could ignore the more complicated security anyway. Also i think quite a bit was inforced by the dash / live so again not an issue here. First game playing on the last dash etc.

    I suspect a very basic single security sector for one disk used for all games might even work unless you can skip the lot somehow as the console reboots into the game as controlled by the dash, if there is no dash and the emulator is controlling state perhaps the games do not self check or that was the later security method....

    Interesting conundrum
     
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    Playing a Xbox Live Arcade game in demo version was like an unpatched version and the full game was patched.. If there was a way to "intercept" the patch that is being downloaded that would be an advantage, but Live being a closed network makes that difficult.

    One of the first AAA games of the X360 working on Xenia! :happy2:(odd polygons at times, but it works)

    Phantasy Star Universe: :smile2:

     
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    Can't the emulator always say the check is OK? Basically it's like playing game with custom dash. Check is disabled.

    Or they can use the custom DVD firmware rom as a base. Since ixtreme version 3 or something it works fine with checks even online, as long as you use it with proper source and burning techniques. Or at least that what the release note claims.
     
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    Crazy Taxi



    I wonder if the emulator includes the emulator of Xbox original for the X360, that'd be awesome, but I don't think so.
     
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    It's too soon, but it could be able to launch official Xbox emulator.
     
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    That emulator was part of the Xbox 360 OS, I think, I wonder if they have the entire updates, if so and if they manage to get the X360 emulator to work 100% properly the built-in one should work without a hitch. That could help to finally have proper emulation for the original Xbox, which was a PC. I think the hardest part to emulate from the original Xbox is the excellent sound chip.

    TNT Racers, a bit foggy but working

     
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    afaik it was just executable with special permissions.
     
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    Yup, the original xbox emulatorr on the x360 is actually on your hard drive as partition 2 (?) and has a large slew of data files and executables.

    Most aftermarket hdd for x360 actually never included this partition so you couldn't play original xbox games unless you copied it from an authentic hdd. Though some aftermarket sellers did things right and included it. Most didn't care, because the price for unofficial 250gb hdd was $60 versus the $150-$200 official 250gb MS hdd.
     
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    So do you think they just copied that partition content -without the dedicated 6GB stuff- into Xenia and we could have original Xbox emulation "for free"?
     
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    Funny thing is before Xenia some of the emulation developers were so emphatic and absolutely certain in their knowledge that xbox 360 games would take 20 years to have the hardware to emulated xbox 360 games, that they'd need 3-8 cores running at 15-20ghz or more to emulate. Certainly not be like that Dragonball fighting game running by overclocking to a i5/i7 to +4.5ghz.
     
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    I don't blame them, it's a myth from emulators which we always took for certain. You needed an awful powerful machine to run the SNES on an emulator as it ran irl, same for Neo Geo and so on.

    The most accurate SNES emulator emulates the console to such a extent that it uses a lot of power to run the games, because there were "timings" for certain things that are missed in other emulators. I watched that working on a youtube video comparing emulators, but I don't remember which video was it.
     
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