Xbox 360 e3 thread 2

[Legend]

let us say that full devkits weren't available untill 2 months ago (including for Sony) Sony is the one making the PS3 so they can give specifications for their in-house devs to built demos that will work on PS3 to save time.

I go by the notion; the point of showing a demo is to demonstrait how good a system is. if it was FMV they could used VHS for it. what is the use of a demo if the system at hand doesn't run it in real time? by that I do not question any demo from either three systems. so as I agree that Gears of War and Unreal on X2 are real time, I say that everything we saw for PS3 is also that.
in any case believe what you may. we will have the systems eventually and we will see first hand. it isn't a big deal for me really but rather simple.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

The idea of showing a demo that isn't RT and isn't possible on RT is to draw attention away from your competitors. If MS show one scene, by shwing a better scene Sony take the thunder away.
"Wow, look at this XB360. Those graphics lokk...Flippen' Heck!! Look at those PS3 movies! OMG!!!"

Once that dust settles, people start to forget about the movies and see the conventional graphics, similar but not as smooth or High Quality, and forget they were duped.

 

[PC-Engine]

let us say that full devkits weren't available untill 2 months ago (including for Sony) Sony is the one making the PS3 so they can give specifications for their in-house devs to built demos that will work on PS3 to save time.

I go by the notion; the point of showing a demo is to demonstrait how good a system is. if it was FMV they could used VHS for it. what is the use of a demo if the system at hand doesn't run it in real time? by that I do not question any demo from either three systems. so as I agree that Gears of War and Unreal on X2 are real time, I say that everything we saw for PS3 is also that.
in any case believe what you may. we will have the systems eventually and we will see first hand. it isn't a big deal for me really but rather simple.

It has already been confirmed by people in the industry that it was prerendered ok? Please let it drop.

 

[Legend]

I see that as too risky. consumer confidence is the most important thing in marketing. if you trick your customers they will simply go to your competitor. and why would Sony risk everything with next-gen by manipulating a couple of demos? besides, the confrence isn't for your average joe, you have prime time devs, teams, engineers, experience jurnalists , CEOs and others. if you try to pull such a thing you will be caught dead on your feet.

people don't forget when they get tricked- like we won't forget the photoshopped pics of Amped for Xbox back in the day. everybody cought on it because those pics stood out...too much. besides, those demos aren't that far away from UE3 demos. I see them as graphically the same. the only thing that makes them different is the art direction for each. are you saying that there is no way UE3, and the other-more capable- engines could acheive such graphics? I repeat, unlike X2 which mostly shows high-end PC graphics, PS3 is a next-gen system. tomorrow we will find out where Rev stands. my guess is between PS3 and X2.

 

[Gerry]

I go by the notion; the point of showing a demo is to demonstrait how good a system is. if it was FMV they could used VHS for it. what is the use of a demo if the system at hand doesn't run it in real time? by that I do not question any demo from either three systems. so as I agree that Gears of War and Unreal on X2 are real time, I say that everything we saw for PS3 is also that.

I have to say that's one of the more ridiculous things I've read today. You seem to be saying that because showing a prerendered demo would be pointless in showing how powerful a system is (I don't disagree), that proves somehow that Sony actually showed a realtime demo?

 

[Legend]

yup, that is what I believe. and not just Sony, but even X2 and tomorrow's Rev's as well.
in other words, I see any makr decieving people of the industry at the show floor to bee a very unlikely mistake to make. soo all games when released will look as good (if not better due to more time in the works) than their respective demos.

 

[a688]

I have to say that's one of the more ridiculous things I've read today. You seem to be saying that because showing a prerendered demo would be pointless in showing how powerful a system is (I don't disagree), that proves somehow that Sony actually showed a realtime demo?

He is from PSiNext, what do you expect?

 

[Acert93]

He is from PSiNext, what do you expect?

Same guy who was adamently argueing that Elder Scrolls was a PS3 exclusive and telling people PS3.ign.com confirmed it even though he was told 3x MS showed it as an Xbox 360 game (and no link every found on IGN). Sooo uhhhmmm make your own deducation. Sony fan, hates MS.

 

[Legend]

It seems that I missed the word "proves". I am not trying to 'prove' anything. maybe somepeople here are into the discussion of whether these are real or not, but not me. I call them as I see them


and to a688;
I don't know what you expect, but I expect people here generally have a good technical background which I can learn from. people who are good at explaining and we participate in eatchothers' forums. we at PSiNext have some people from here and we enjoy having them. We only hope they share the same feeling about us here.

P.S.

Same guy who was adamently argueing that Elder Scrolls was a PS3 exclusive and telling people PS3.ign.com confirmed it even though he was told 3x MS showed it as an Xbox 360 game (and no link every found on IGN). Sooo uhhhmmm make your own deducation. Sony fan, hates MS.

I did apologize for that and I did mention that I mistook it for Heavenly Sword. just to be clear. sorry if I am not as perfect as some entities here. I am only human

 

[passby]

Why is a X360 thread full of Sony talk?

 

[Legend]

indeed, why? just because someone expressed his opinion on all demos shown to be in-game (of all systems) I get mocked from being from a place that chances are they never even visited. quickly mocking people and making fun of where they came from. what a positive image from B3D.
let me try not to be as ignorant and arrogant: as 'some people' at B3D.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I see that as too risky. consumer confidence is the most important thing in marketing. if you trick your customers they will simply go to your competitor.

It doesn't work that way. Companies can be devious (I'm not sayong Sony is or isn't in this case, only talking by example). If presenting the video steals atention away from XB, that system doesn't sell so well, devs switch to more high-profile PS3, whatever games appear, even if they don't look as good as the demo's years back, are still the best and only available and people will buy them. It's very rare for consumers to boycott a product for ideological reasons.

As another example that comes to mind, Ford years back produced a dangerous motor. It had a defect that could prove fatal. They decided that the cost of recalling and fixing all the cars would be more expensive than likely payouts in the event of them getting sued over an accident, so they didn't fix it. Business doesn't give a damn about morailty or what's fair. That's why companies invent virtual specs and keep outdoing each other with teraflop figures (like 1 wasn't enough ) and whatnot.