Xbox 2 preview at GDC may not feature hardware unveiling

source: gamesindustry.biz

Rob Fahey 11:46 08/03/2004
Xbox Japan spokesperson drops hints about GDC presentation


As widely expected, Microsoft's chief Xbox officer Robbie Bach will take to the stage at the Game Developers Conference to discuss the next Xbox console - but the presentation may not include details of the system's hardware.

Speaking with Bloomberg, Microsoft Japan's Asako Miyata stated that Bach will appear at the conference on March 24th, and will discuss the company's software strategy for Xbox Next, talking about games for the console and some technical aspects of its format.

However, Miyata stated that the console's actual hardware will probably not be unveiled at GDC, and that a decision had not yet been taken to as to when the technical specifications of the system should be released.

Microsoft has already discussed its hardware plans with a number of key developers - leading to the leaking of information regarding the system's CPU and graphics configuration - but it's thought that certain vital aspects such as the quantity and type of RAM to be used have not yet been decided.

Some commentators have suggested that Microsoft is holding back from a final decision on the RAM, and possibly on the inclusion of a hard drive, until it finds out what Sony is planning to do with the PS3 - so that the spec for the Xbox Next can be adjusted to out-perform Sony's system, at least in these areas.

It's already known that Xbox Next will feature six next generation IBM PowerPC processing cores, spread across three discrete CPUs, and an advanced graphics hardware solution provided by chipset manufacturer ATI. It's expected that the system will dispense with the hard disc drive in favour of a high capacity removable flash memory solution - effectively a large memory card.


pretty much as expected.
 
It's already known that Xbox Next will feature six next generation IBM PowerPC processing cores, spread across three discrete CPU
I still ? at that, but that's my opinion of course.
 
Disappointing, but rather expected. We'll likely see generalities bandied about--perhaps a few tech demos--but no one seems to want to be the first to say specifics, as it gives their hand away to the competition while there is still time to alter their own tactics. What with everyone trying to launch in the same general window, things are nerve-wracking all around. ;)
 
I guess my being absent for a few weeks has definately amounted to not being that up to date, but

six next generation IBM PowerPC processing cores, spread across three discrete CPUs

??? OMG. Seems like Microsoft has something in the works that is set to compete with PS3 one way or the other. Though speaking of 6 PowerPC cores does sound like the system will be costing quite a bit more than I probably was willing to give MS credit for (I guess I had nothing better to expect after the dumped money into Xbox and it being a very expensive jump into the gaming industry). Am I missing out on something or are others as puzzled as I am? :?:
 
Phil said:
I guess my being absent for a few weeks has definately amounted to not being that up to date, but

six next generation IBM PowerPC processing cores, spread across three discrete CPUs

??? OMG. Seems like Microsoft has something in the works that is set to compete with PS3 one way or the other. Though speaking of 6 PowerPC cores does sound like the system will be costing quite a bit more than I probably was willing to give MS credit for (I guess I had nothing better to expect after the dumped money into Xbox and it being a very expensive jump into the gaming industry). Am I missing out on something or are others as puzzled as I am? :?:
the info about three CPUs has been mentioned before (i.e.: in this thread, here): http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10083 ... however, the "six cores" info has not been mentioned before, IIRC ...



.... as I posted in this other thread (here: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9939&start=120 ):

I believe that the CPU of Xbox Next is a variant of the POWER5 processor , but there are 3 dual core chips [instead of 4 dual core chips, as in the server version of the processor ( http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10182 )]....
 
We'll likely see generalities bandied about--perhaps a few tech demos--but no one seems to want to be the first to say specifics, as it gives their hand away to the competition while there is still time to alter their own tactics. What with everyone trying to launch in the same general window, things are nerve-wracking all around.


indeed. I reckon Microsoft and Sony (perhaps Nintendo with N5 as well) will be playing cat & mouse games with regard to the revalation of true specifications. or rather, a game of chicken :p



??? OMG. Seems like Microsoft has something in the works that is set to compete with PS3 one way or the other. Though speaking of 6 PowerPC cores does sound like the system will be costing quite a bit more than I probably was willing to give MS credit for (I guess I had nothing better to expect after the dumped money into Xbox and it being a very expensive jump into the gaming industry). Am I missing out on something or are others as puzzled as I am?


the news of 6 cores within 3 CPUs is several weeks old now.

there is also an article from Gamesindustry.biz saying there will be 4 or more PPC cores.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=dev&aid=2897
 
you know what guys (and girls?) this weekend the XBOX will celebrate his second ! birthday (2!!) . yes, it's only TWO years old and we are almost going to officially hear the specs of xbox2.. wow ..
it feels like almost i have one since 2000 or something
 
well, here in the United States of America, the Xbox is approaching 2 and a half years. (Nov 2001 ==> March 2004) it was about 4 years ago that Microsoft officially announced Xbox. And I remember it was something like September 1999 when I read about "X-Box" in Next Generation magazine.
 
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Given how MS is aggressive on cost cutting(no more HD), you will not see a multichip configuration.

What will Xbox have.

one XCPU2 + one XGPU2 + one IOchipset.

Beside the physical processor count doesn't matter in the SMT era. The question developers are asking is, how many logical processors to deal with? Is it 4???
 
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Present Xbox.

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What MS hopes to achieve...
 
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Looking at GC board, I just realized how similar Xbox Next will be, a CPU by IBM, a GPU by ATI, eDRAM, etc...
 
Well as you know, Gamecube's GPU is not made by ATI.
it's owned by ATI (or is it Nintendo?) it was designed by ARTX (ex-SGI engineers) and it's manufactured by NEC.
 
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Deadmeat said:
Beside the physical processor count doesn't matter in the SMT era. The question developers are asking is, how many logical processors to deal with? Is it 4???

No, developers aren't asking how many logical processors, we have already been told... Its been leaked so many times now that everybody else should know as well.
 
Why are people still being picky about that? The ArtX crew got their fingers in a bunch of other pies since their acquisition, and certainly Orton has turned the company around to be much more stand-up than it had been for years. Let's not bicker and argue about 'o designed 'o... To sound sappy, their destinies became linked.
 
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Deadmeat said:
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Wow thats a Dreamcast? Little pretty thing!!

I'd love to see the interior design of all the older consoles... maybe we should open a new thread... I'd love to see what NES and Genesis looked like inside...
 
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