I wasn't suggesting that wasn't the case, but I was pointing out to Shifty that I don't think that was the point of the Live! Arcade comment.BenSkywalker said:
BTW - slacking on your gamerscore a little aren't you Ben?
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Cut me a break Dave, I didn't pick up my 360 until Oblivion went gold
I see you have NFS:MW- how does it compare to the demo? I tried out the demo and was seriously shocked how badly it played- extremely choppy(framerates dipping into the teens) and sloppy- is this represenative of the actual game? That is one that I would be very interested in picking up if ran properly(NFS:HP2 flashbacks).
I see you have NFS:MW- how does it compare to the demo? I tried out the demo and was seriously shocked how badly it played- extremely choppy(framerates dipping into the teens) and sloppy- is this represenative of the actual game? That is one that I would be very interested in picking up if ran properly(NFS:HP2 flashbacks).
I've not played the demo - I only picked it up cheap off eBay to get the GS I gets choppy at times and generally I wasn't taken by the resolution. However, one thing that is very apparent in comparison to the PC is that the 360 version is just littered with objects all around the place; there are nowhere near as many even on the highest settings on the PC (small batch issue).
I gets choppy at times and generally I wasn't taken by the resolution. However, one thing that is very apparent in comparison to the PC is that the 360 version is just littered with objects all around the place; there are nowhere near as many even on the highest settings on the PC (small batch issue).Shifty Geezer said:
Why would it be "far from ideal"? If this concept is so alien, why is it being adopted by all of the console mfrs., and if you can't comment on how many 360 games there are, how can you comment on the quality of the Arcade games. I'm sure attitudes will immediately change once everyone on all platforms is able to experience something similar.
I detest this notion that because a game is on Arcade that it should somehow not be considered a game. Whatever happened to, "it's all about the gameplay".
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quest55720 said:
Once the game starts you need to press the guide button again, and then stream your music again: Guide Button --> Select Music --> find your music either from the 360 hdd, a usb device with music (e.g. iPod) or the computer you have setup for streaming.
Note, that once the dashboard update hits, you will not need to do this anymore, as the music you were playing before you started the game will continue to play.
Though ARcade games can be fun and worth playing, there's no denying that Arcade doesn't represent the pinnacle of gaming tech. Is a tri-core 3GHz CPU and meaty GPU with 512 MB RAM and 9 GB DVD really to be expected to play little more than 40 MB downloadable games? I think not. That's not what it was designed for, and that's not what people bought it for. People are wanting heavy-hitting titles that use all those resources. If those games are few and far between, and the XB360 library is being made up mostly with little games to 'fill the gap' (instead of original XB games as wanted by some here who aren't interested in the Arcade options), I say that's far from ideal no matter how much fun those little games are - it's a waste of hardcore gaming tech.NucNavST3 said:
I'm not belittling Arcade. I think it's a great idea and I'm pleased that the idea is set to spread across all the platforms. But sometimes a person wants to play a game with more depth, a full disc based console game, which should either be a next-gen game (the reason for buying the console!), or if you have the option, a previous gen console game. If the next-gen games are too few, and the Arcade options are simple fun games not comparable to the 'full console game' experience, Arcade doesn't make up for the lack of BC IMO. This seems to be BenSkywalker's feelings and I can understand them. eg. If PS3 were to come out tomorrow with only Heavenly Sword and people buy it for that, 5 months down the line if there are no other PS3 games they want, and they've played Tetris and Midway arcade Classics of PS3Live Arcade, and want something more substantial, there's the option of FFXII or GOW2 or other PS2 games they missed. That's where BC comes in, filling out the blanks in the slow start to any new hardware. Simple games alone aren't enough for most gamers, otherwise we wouldn't have bought these consoles and would be playing free web games!
Dave Baumann said:I wasn't suggesting that wasn't the case, but I was pointing out to Shifty that I don't think that was the point of the Live! Arcade comment.
BTW - slacking on your gamerscore a little aren't you Ben?
Ah, don't rub it in, if I remember correctly, it wasn't until very recently that someone elses score wasn't that outstanding...still wondering how thousands of points started to miraculously appear :smile:
For sake of full disclosure here is my paltry score
dodo3 said:
Me too, one of the several reasons I was waiting to get an Xbox 360 was until it could support all the xbox games I own, including ones I haven't beat yet.
So far, it still lacks support for
Conker (hey, this was a big budget title, why not add support?)
Burnout 3 (understandable, considering the sequel is already available on 360, though you'd think all the Renderware games could come together)
Jet Set Radio Future
and Panzer Dragoon Orta
Which is half of my xbox games actually. Wasn't very big into the Xbox. Oh well, they'd still need a cooler/quieter running system (I find it hard to be enthused about the system when it could possibly overheat, will raise the room temp a couple degrees, or is audible enough to be a distraction) or some actual killer apps before I'd consider a 360. Too bad the PC exists, my ancient Athlon XP system with a $200 X800XT I picked up plays most games that are on 360 and PC better than the 360, both from what seems to be a faster video card for PC games designed around the PC platform along with a faster/larger harddrive and mroe ram. (usually the 360 games appear to have lower quality textures than the highest quality available on the PC, not to mention framerate problems)
They have full documentation of the original system, so it should be easier. Though if we look at the best PC emulators, it would take about 5x the cpu power (which the 360 doesn't have, unless they can somehow effectively multithread the original xbox games), though there's a lot more fudge room for graphics if the goal is only to achieve what the original system achieved. (same resolution and quality of filtering and such) The xbox 360 definetely has the gpu power to emulate the original xbox.
Since most Xbox games were programmed using high level languages, that should make the conversion even easier since there should be little on the Xbox that's actually specific to the hardware's capabilities and instead tied more to the APIs used.
Did they? That's a disappointment, even under emulation I'd expect 360 to have the power to do a 720p res, and it would have made a good selling point since Halo 2 already has graphics that can compete with many 360 games, especially in the cutscenes. Too bad Microsoft won't extend the backwards compatibility thing to PC as part of their Live initiative, since the cpus are essentially just faster versions of the Xbox 1's, it likely would make it more possible to have full backwards compatibility.
Different situation, Nintendo has many more classic games, and their games tend to be of the variety that are easier to pick up and play, and less technology dependent to boot. Plus, Microsoft has something similar, Xbox Live Arcade. While not necessarily classics, some games on it do sell well.
It fell way way short. It went from complete backwards compatibility, to 20 games per disc backwards compatibility, to a single game compatibility. Not to mention it barely upgraded the graphics, and Bleem on the PC looked and ran much better.
Dave was more or less correct in interpreting my meaning.Shifty Geezer said:
The initial Xbox LIVE comment itself was not referring to Arcade I was referring to the near infinite replay ability for certain X360 full fledge titles regardless if you have completed or tired of the SP experience with online play. It's easy for me to choose from a handful of 360 titles that give me months and months of play time on LIVE with other gamers. (GRAW, Battlefield2, CoD2, Table Tennis, NBA2k6). Most of the current titles are also incorporating a Co-op mode (I think Kameo just released an update that allows it too) allowing you to play through parts of the game with friends on LIVE. No split screen sharing a TV, full screen, you at your house, friend at theirs, are playing the same game together. That is Xbox Live.
Which is one reason why playing old BC titles does not appeal to me as much. I suggested some fun to be had with arcade games as a way to round out the experience.
As for UNO, please tell me where else you are going to find a bunch of friends ANY day of the week, nearly any time of day to throw down some cards with you? You can play it down all you like but until you experience the fun of playing against other Live opponents at the drop of a hat, you should not knock it. It's a great game to play with the wife/GF too.
By the way I disagree with the comments on the Table Tennis game as Rockstar has done a tremendous job on this title. It includes spectator mode and round robin tourneys with 7 more players. The controls are intuitive, yet hard to master. the graphics and sounds are beautiful. Again it is a game made for LIVE.
Multiplayer online is the future (See: Sony investing in it also); offering a much more long term experience than just playing through a single player game and then having beaten it to be put away forever.
yes, I had one since launch day.kyleb said:
I just have a problem playing last gen (technology-wise) games on a system (as Shifty mentioned) that I just paid $400 for.
Arcade games are different as the 'retro' games have their own allure beyond graphics and AI.I'm spoiled once I see the new gen tech.
I actually kept my old Xbox for the first month and a few Xbox1 live titles. After realizing that I was never playing it, and was finding the 360 much more alluring and fulfilling, I donated it to my young employee who did not have one. Even he would rather come over here and play my 360 than play his 'new' Xbox though.
I'm not saying that my experience or opinion on multiplayer/single player and next gen/current gen are going to be widely appreciated. I'm not selling it and if I were I realize different tastes dictate that not everyone would be buying it. It's just my experience and what works for me.
edit: oh and Kyle, initially I was expressing the whole Live suggestion to Ben in an effort to help him find more game play beyond the SP of games currently on the shelf for 360.
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kyleb said:
well my mistake then as his OP sounded like he was disappointed because he was bored and unable to find games to currently enjoy. I primarily play online (I sometimes never even play the SP) so when I hear that 'I've already beaten these games, what's next', my first thought is, hey try it online.
yea, I'm strange.
Its all fairly well documented at my 360 voice page. The first rise you see just before and after 12-May is NFS:MW - the steep bit at the end is the final two guys - I got this because I never finished on the PC and figured I'd try and pick up some score from the 360 version; all I can say is thank god for the bus station.NucNavST3 said:
The next very steep rise is from FN3 - no way I would have bought this game, but read that GS was attainable on easy and allowing foul blows etc., so I borrowed it off a friend for the weekend. All of saturday I spent playing it and then got stuck after the 6'th achiement so on sunday I started right back from the start and did manual training which actually made it achievable - 39 fights in one day! As I said, I'd have never have played this if it wasn't for the GS and I enjoyed it whilst doing it.
The gradual bobble up and slightly steaper rise after that is playing through Tomb Raider. Not properly played a TR game since 2 (and didn't complete that) so this one was a bit of fresh air and generally quite enjoyable.
Now I'm at a bit of a loss. I won't have too much time on my hands for the next few months and I've run out of games that I can easily get GS for. I'm playing RR6 more to try and pick up some more achiements, but the remaining ones are both time consuming and a total bitch. I bough PDZ at launch, but failed to play it so far, so I might go through that or I might actually have to start going through Oblivion, but I fear I'll loose a lot of my life!
BenSkywalker said:
Condemned is quite good. I see you haven't played that.
If you are wanting a quick boost to your Gamescore, King Kong only lasts about 6-8 hours, and while not great, it is an enjoyable game. It's a day or two of mindless entertainment. Worth a rental, just don't buy it.
Looks like you've tried all of the other games that I've played and found worthwhile.
BTW, my gamertag, just in case you are curious.
http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=Aka Magi
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