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But can the BayTrail have ethernet and/or SATA without them having to go through USB 3.0? Is it possible to hardwire those to the SoC without a secondary medium that will increase lag?
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But can the BayTrail have ethernet and/or SATA without them having to go through USB 3.0? Is it possible to hardwire those to the SoC without a secondary medium that will increase lag?
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It is, but if you use the SoC version with those features, that is Baytrail "not T".
On the comparison chart from the above link, Baytrail T has a 17x17mm package ; "not T" is 25x25mm, has the missing I/O and is unambiguously sold in laptops and desktops (and even micro-ATX motherboards)
Nice mix of modernity and legacy junk on the ASRock Q1900M Pro3
On the comparison chart from the above link, Baytrail T has a 17x17mm package ; "not T" is 25x25mm, has the missing I/O and is unambiguously sold in laptops and desktops (and even micro-ATX motherboards)
Nice mix of modernity and legacy junk on the ASRock Q1900M Pro3
I've got my own SOHO wireless infrastructure at home; I can do quite a bit of testing with 2.4Ghz vs 5Ghz bands and streaming across them both. I'll do some testing over the next week or so (need to get my gaming rig back in order) and let you know if my findings are similar to yours.
I will say this though: my prior testing with my gaming rig running at 2560x1440 streaming to my laptop at 1366x768 resulted in a network stream of about ~10mbit (give or take.) This was while playing FarCry 3, and while running a realtime capture on my managed switch on the wired port I was using. IF that carries over to wireless, and I cannot think of a reason why it wouldn't, then I'm not too sure that 2.4Ghz will be a concern so long as the linkage rate is above 80mbit.
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I think the problem with streaming on 2.4GHz isn't the max sustained bandwidth, but other QoS issues like lost packets which take a real toll on latency.
The multitude of devices working on that spectrum (not only WiFi and bluetooth, but even wireless mouses/keyboards with dedicated wireless dongles) cause interference and lost packets.
That's why 5GHz is really important.
But sure, if you live in a relatively secluded place with few wireless peripherals then I think you could have a chance.
The multitude of devices working on that spectrum (not only WiFi and bluetooth, but even wireless mouses/keyboards with dedicated wireless dongles) cause interference and lost packets.
That's why 5GHz is really important.
But sure, if you live in a relatively secluded place with few wireless peripherals then I think you could have a chance.
At the moment, I have all that equipment in an apartment building with about ~30 other AP's within "hearing range" of my gear. (I'm in corporate housing until I find another new house in my new location.)
Should represent a very solid worst-case scenario!
Should represent a very solid worst-case scenario!
I live in nyc and 2.4ghz is useless. And I mean useless (not even worth it for phones, lte is significantly better). It's why my chromecast sits idle and why I have high hopes for the amazon fire stick thing (dual band and dual stream!).
There is one thing in my household that utterly destroys all 2.4GHz band traffic - my daughter's video surveillance baby monitor thingy. My father bought it for us; a simple color (daytime) or infrared (nighttime) remotely 2-axis articulating video and audio monitor for watching our daughter while she sleeps.
I can't imagine how the FCC allowed it past; it is the most effective 2.4GHz jammer I've seen outside of actual jamming equipment. It even jacks with wireless mice!
WHen I actually buy a house, I'll have more than enough room between myself and neighbors to not be worried about intruding 2.4GHz band traffic. Ignoring the video monitor for the moment, I still feel the 2.4GHz band may be successful in my specific use case. That certainly doesnt' suggest that it works well for all, I'm far more interested in the science part of using this thing as a streaming device
I can't imagine how the FCC allowed it past; it is the most effective 2.4GHz jammer I've seen outside of actual jamming equipment. It even jacks with wireless mice!
WHen I actually buy a house, I'll have more than enough room between myself and neighbors to not be worried about intruding 2.4GHz band traffic. Ignoring the video monitor for the moment, I still feel the 2.4GHz band may be successful in my specific use case. That certainly doesnt' suggest that it works well for all, I'm far more interested in the science part of using this thing as a streaming device
Newegg has the 2GB ram / 32GB SSD stick for preorder:
Without Windows license is $109: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883800003
With Windows 8.1 license for $149: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883800002
Without Windows license is $109: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883800003
With Windows 8.1 license for $149: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883800002
Silent_Buddha
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Nice, I'm very tempted to grab one of those and replace my 50 foot HDMI cable that is currently going from my HTPC/WHS machine to my living room TV.
Regards,
SB
Regards,
SB
Silent_Buddha
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http://techreport.com/review/28147/intel-compute-stick-miniature-pc-reviewed
Here's Scott Wasson's impressions on the device after using it. Pretty nifty. I really wish he would have tried streaming games to the the device via Steam, but he didn't try it. I'm somewhat surprised that it actually has a fan inside that comes on if the device is stressed.
Regards,
SB
Here's Scott Wasson's impressions on the device after using it. Pretty nifty. I really wish he would have tried streaming games to the the device via Steam, but he didn't try it. I'm somewhat surprised that it actually has a fan inside that comes on if the device is stressed.
Regards,
SB
I recently purchased one of these:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-mac-desktops/pipo-x7-1282773/review
Similar sort of internal hardware to the compute stick, but better in pretty much every single way (other than size), of course.
I've only been playing with it for a day or so but it seems pretty good. Fully licensed Windows 8.1 Bing (albeit 32-bit), a 1 year subscription to Office365 and all for the price of less than £70 when ordered from China. Around $100.
The only issue I'd have with this device is that there has been no consideration whatsoever of cooling. It is in a small passively-cooled solid aluminium case but has no real heatsink and the CPU can reach over 80 degrees C very quickly. Easy to mod, however. A small and cheap 5mm thermal cooling pad placed underneath the PCB tranmits most of the heat to the aluminium case and drops the temperatures by 10-15 degrees! The only place the compute stick has an advantage is portability due to the smaller size but I wonder how much room you would really save when you consider you also need the various power cables and so forth with you?
I actually wish I'd seen a bit more about this device before I bought the Pipo:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/hardware-hacking/android-sticks/ainol-windows-8-1-mini-pc-t3061460
Similar to the Pipo but more compact, decent cooling out of the box, USB 3.0 support and an inbuilt 7000mAh battery to provide around 8 hours battery life! The only issue is lack of an ethernet connection so you'd need a USB to ethernet adapter.
For around £70, I may well buy myself one of these just for the heck of it!
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-mac-desktops/pipo-x7-1282773/review
Similar sort of internal hardware to the compute stick, but better in pretty much every single way (other than size), of course.
I've only been playing with it for a day or so but it seems pretty good. Fully licensed Windows 8.1 Bing (albeit 32-bit), a 1 year subscription to Office365 and all for the price of less than £70 when ordered from China. Around $100.
The only issue I'd have with this device is that there has been no consideration whatsoever of cooling. It is in a small passively-cooled solid aluminium case but has no real heatsink and the CPU can reach over 80 degrees C very quickly. Easy to mod, however. A small and cheap 5mm thermal cooling pad placed underneath the PCB tranmits most of the heat to the aluminium case and drops the temperatures by 10-15 degrees! The only place the compute stick has an advantage is portability due to the smaller size but I wonder how much room you would really save when you consider you also need the various power cables and so forth with you?
I actually wish I'd seen a bit more about this device before I bought the Pipo:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/hardware-hacking/android-sticks/ainol-windows-8-1-mini-pc-t3061460
Similar to the Pipo but more compact, decent cooling out of the box, USB 3.0 support and an inbuilt 7000mAh battery to provide around 8 hours battery life! The only issue is lack of an ethernet connection so you'd need a USB to ethernet adapter.
For around £70, I may well buy myself one of these just for the heck of it!
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It will depend on what you are connecting it to. Most newer TVs have a powered USB port. If you are connecting to one of those all you have to bring is a short USB to micro USB to power the device. And potentially a short HDMI extender if the HDMI ports on the TV don't have enough clearance for the device.
Other than that, you can use microSD to expand the storage and bluetooth for your controllers.
Basically everything can fit in your pocket quite easily.
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http://www.maximumpc.com/intel_compute_stick_review_2015
OK, they actually tested it with Steam Home Streaming.
Just be aware that the included WIFI seems pretty flaky. On Anandtech's review their official router used for WIFI testing got fairly bad speeds. But they noted that another router they had in the same location got ~50 Mbps. Obviously MaximumPC above had a good wireless connection with their router.
Also does well handling 1080p video. But might struggle slightly with 1080i video depending on player and codec used.
A cheaper way to stream games and a more capable machine than Nvidia's Shieldconsole Android TV.
Regards,
SB
OK, they actually tested it with Steam Home Streaming.
Just be aware that the included WIFI seems pretty flaky. On Anandtech's review their official router used for WIFI testing got fairly bad speeds. But they noted that another router they had in the same location got ~50 Mbps. Obviously MaximumPC above had a good wireless connection with their router.
Also does well handling 1080p video. But might struggle slightly with 1080i video depending on player and codec used.
A cheaper way to stream games and a more capable machine than Nvidia's Shield
Regards,
SB
Ah, I only skim-read the original Anandtech review so didn't see that the PSU provided with the stick is just 10W. My Pipo mini PC has a 12V/2.4A PSU so I presumed that more than 10W would be required. I've not tested power draw on my mini PC - it's low enough not to really make a difference to my electricity bills. Are there any reviews which have actually used the powered USB port of a TV to power the stick?
Not sure whether it is a driver issue or not (quite possible), but I can confirm that the wifi is pretty flaky on the Pipo and this is with a reasonably-sized antenna on the device. I've not bothered to try to resolve the problem as I can just use the ethernet connection in my setup.
For me, the issue with the Compute stick is the active cooling. Those whiney little high-pitched fans have always got on my nerves (I replaced the fans in my old Shuttle PSU because of this!) and it would be enough to stop me being interested in the current stick. I expect it will probably require the process shrink of Cherry Trail before we see such a passively-cooled stick.
Not sure whether it is a driver issue or not (quite possible), but I can confirm that the wifi is pretty flaky on the Pipo and this is with a reasonably-sized antenna on the device. I've not bothered to try to resolve the problem as I can just use the ethernet connection in my setup.
For me, the issue with the Compute stick is the active cooling. Those whiney little high-pitched fans have always got on my nerves (I replaced the fans in my old Shuttle PSU because of this!) and it would be enough to stop me being interested in the current stick. I expect it will probably require the process shrink of Cherry Trail before we see such a passively-cooled stick.
Silent_Buddha
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Yeah, the fan is going to depend on how close you sit to it. In a typical living room connected to a TV, it's not going to be audible except perhaps in the dead of night with absolutely no sound being generated by anything except the fan. On a PC monitor that is just 1-2 feet away, however, it'll definitely be noticeable. It'll basically depend on how quiet your room is. Its rated at 28 db at 1 meter. So quieter than a PC and below the noise floor of most people's homes in the afternoons.
Then again, other than for testing why in the world would anyone want to put one on their desktop PC monitor?
Yeah it doesn't use much power. Anandtech noted idle at 2.45 watts at the wall and 8.82 watts at the wall when loaded with Prime95 + Furmark (IE - greater than anyone would likely ever load this up with). Youtube HTML5 streaming at 6.09 watts with Firefox and 3.55 watts with IE. Netflix at 3.25 watts with the Win 8.1 Netflix app. Pretty good all around. That is less power consumption while playing a video than my Sony A/V receiver in standby mode.
I believe Scott Wasson tried his out on a TV in his bedroom with it powered by the TV USB port.
If I got one, I'd likely just hook it directly into my A/V receiver, at which point it wouldn't matter how I powered it. If I took it on vacation I wouldn't even bother with a wall wart power adapter for it. If a TV didn't have a powered USB power port I could just use my phone's charging cable to power it. Then again, since I'm getting a Surface 3, I wouldn't need this for travelling anyway.
Regards,
SB
Then again, other than for testing why in the world would anyone want to put one on their desktop PC monitor?
Yeah it doesn't use much power. Anandtech noted idle at 2.45 watts at the wall and 8.82 watts at the wall when loaded with Prime95 + Furmark (IE - greater than anyone would likely ever load this up with). Youtube HTML5 streaming at 6.09 watts with Firefox and 3.55 watts with IE. Netflix at 3.25 watts with the Win 8.1 Netflix app. Pretty good all around. That is less power consumption while playing a video than my Sony A/V receiver in standby mode.
I believe Scott Wasson tried his out on a TV in his bedroom with it powered by the TV USB port.
If I got one, I'd likely just hook it directly into my A/V receiver, at which point it wouldn't matter how I powered it. If I took it on vacation I wouldn't even bother with a wall wart power adapter for it. If a TV didn't have a powered USB power port I could just use my phone's charging cable to power it. Then again, since I'm getting a Surface 3, I wouldn't need this for travelling anyway.
Regards,
SB
Earlier in this thread there was some doubts as to how much Steam streaming takes and whether it could come close to maxing out a simple 100Mbit connection. Obviously it depends on the settings but on my home gigabit ethernet network, with all streaming set to unlimited/best quality and hardware encoding/decoding, playing GTA V hovers around 50-90Mbps at 1080p60.
I've been playing a lot of GTA on my TV streaming and with balanced settings I've found sometimes it produces decoding artifacts causing some occasional blocking, a lot more apparent in daylight in the sky with the more solid colors.
Silent_Buddha
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Well that certainly makes things interesting.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9937/...ck-family-with-cherry-trail-and-core-m-models
Intel has announced the expected Cherry Trail version of the compute stick, however, they also surprised me with an announcement for a Skylake Core-M version of the compute stick.
The Skylake version can't power itself off the USB port of a television (requires a power unit) which is to be expected. But they at least made the power unit useful in that the stick itself only has one USB Type-C port through which power and data are routed. The Power unit, however, has 2 additional USB 3.0 ports through which data can be delivered to the compute stick.
Now if only Intel would offer one of those with Iris Pro graphics with the edram, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I don't think they will feature Iris Pro.
Regards,
SB
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9937/...ck-family-with-cherry-trail-and-core-m-models
Intel has announced the expected Cherry Trail version of the compute stick, however, they also surprised me with an announcement for a Skylake Core-M version of the compute stick.
The Skylake version can't power itself off the USB port of a television (requires a power unit) which is to be expected. But they at least made the power unit useful in that the stick itself only has one USB Type-C port through which power and data are routed. The Power unit, however, has 2 additional USB 3.0 ports through which data can be delivered to the compute stick.
Now if only Intel would offer one of those with Iris Pro graphics with the edram, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I don't think they will feature Iris Pro.
Regards,
SB
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The best part is that all versions now have full H265 hardware acceleration and dual-band WiFi AC capable.
Now they're ready for In-Home Streaming, present and future
Now they're ready for In-Home Streaming, present and future
Silent_Buddha
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Anandtech has a review of the Core M3 version of the Intel Compute stick.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10447/the-intel-compute-stick-core-m36y30-review
It's basically 2x the performance of the Cherry Trail stick with higher idle power but virtually identical load power (~2.8% higher). In graphics tasks it's up to 3x faster.
It's also a fair bit more expensive at 390 USD versus 150 USD for the Cherry Trail version. However, that includes a Windows license (not available on the Cherry Trail version) as well as double the storage and double the RAM. It also has an external power supply that increases the number of USB ports it has versus the Cherry Trail stick.
It also compares favorably with significantly larger mini-box PCs (UCFF form factor similar to Intel NUCs) that are also in its price range.
Impressive that you get that much performance in a compute stick. I'm tempted. Very tempted.
Regards,
SB
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10447/the-intel-compute-stick-core-m36y30-review
It's basically 2x the performance of the Cherry Trail stick with higher idle power but virtually identical load power (~2.8% higher). In graphics tasks it's up to 3x faster.
It's also a fair bit more expensive at 390 USD versus 150 USD for the Cherry Trail version. However, that includes a Windows license (not available on the Cherry Trail version) as well as double the storage and double the RAM. It also has an external power supply that increases the number of USB ports it has versus the Cherry Trail stick.
It also compares favorably with significantly larger mini-box PCs (UCFF form factor similar to Intel NUCs) that are also in its price range.
Impressive that you get that much performance in a compute stick. I'm tempted. Very tempted.
Regards,
SB
