Will Warner support Blu-ray?

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And if HD-DVD is so great, how come more studios are behind BR now?
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Key word here is more. There are three big studios still supporting HD DVD. Take out the SONY studios from the BR camp and you end up with HD DVD having more studio support and it doesn't look so rosey. It's not a mystery why SONY supports BR. OTOH BD-J vs iHD demonstrates a complete victory in favor of iHD not some indecisive 40/50 standoff.

You claimed iHD is technically superior to BD-J. It is not, therefore you're wrong. Now you want to change your argument and claim that the features of BD-J are not needed. Well, that's a different argument. It's like saying that 25Gb isn't need, and all you need is 15Gb. Unfortunately, it wasn't your original argument, where you tried to pony off a list of supposed "superior" features in HD-DVD.
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Actually I said HD DVD has become technically superior and listed iHD as one of the features that make it so. I didn't say iHD is technically superior to BD-J hence my light bulb/wrench analogy. In fact I said BD-J is more complex while iHD gets the same requirement done with less effort. iHD is superior through elegance and simplicity.
 
I'm still waiting for a comment from someone who has actually worked with both iHD and BD-J of which one is better.... and is not working for Microsoft .
 
PC-Engine I give you credit for still being behind your team. Keep it up the debate must go on. Having a winner this earlier wouldn't be fun for the forum.:p
 
Apparently, iHD may not be compatible with any other OS than Vista. So it would be a good way to lock out Mac OS and Linux.

As for managed copies, apparently they see a future of 4 or 5 PCs in every household so that people would stream movies from room to room rather than carry a disc around.

That makes sense if you have a mansion on the shores of Lake Washington but for most people, they don't have elaborate AV systems with plasmas in every room.

And even if they did, what's simpler, taking a disc from the living room to your bedroom or copying to a hard disk (how long will a 20 GB managed copy take?) and then streaming it?

Why not stream directly from the Blu-Ray player in the living room to the TV in the bedroom? 802.11n and UWB are suppose to make this possible. They'd have to use these future wireless standards under the MC scenario of streaming from the copy ripped to the hard drive.

The only advantage of ripping to the hard drive is to have all your library online rather than physically retrieving the disc from the shelf. But how much is a 100-disc library of HDTV movies going to require in the way of server storage? Right, rich folks territory, or just way more than most people would want to spend, not to mention some kind of front-end to control it from any room in the house.
 
> "PC-Engine I give you credit for still being behind your team."

I can't help but wonder on the emotional health of such a person, arguing so strongly for a format that is essentially dead before it even starts. When will realization of this fact sink home for someone is in so much denial.

You should not encourage him.
 
> "Microsoft (actually Bill Gates) is clearly speaking on behalf of consumers. Whether you think they are accurately representing consumers or not is another issue."

Why can't I manage copy Windows then on different machines in my home?

In reality who cares what Microsoft thinks about the whole Blu-ray versus HD-DVD issue. I don't see them having the power to affect things, especially since recently they failed to stop two Hollywood studios from supporting Blu-ray, and also failed to dissuade their two biggest customers, Dell and HP, who openly criticized MS and Intel for misleading the whole issue.

Bill Gates lost this one, and made himself look foolish in the process.
 
wco81 said:
Apparently, iHD may not be compatible with any other OS than Vista. So it would be a good way to lock out Mac OS and Linux.

As for managed copies, apparently they see a future of 4 or 5 PCs in every household so that people would stream movies from room to room rather than carry a disc around.

That makes sense if you have a mansion on the shores of Lake Washington but for most people, they don't have elaborate AV systems with plasmas in every room.

And even if they did, what's simpler, taking a disc from the living room to your bedroom or copying to a hard disk (how long will a 20 GB managed copy take?) and then streaming it?

Why not stream directly from the Blu-Ray player in the living room to the TV in the bedroom? 802.11n and UWB are suppose to make this possible. They'd have to use these future wireless standards under the MC scenario of streaming from the copy ripped to the hard drive.

The only advantage of ripping to the hard drive is to have all your library online rather than physically retrieving the disc from the shelf. But how much is a 100-disc library of HDTV movies going to require in the way of server storage? Right, rich folks territory, or just way more than most people would want to spend, not to mention some kind of front-end to control it from any room in the house.
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Agreed.
 
You will all be happy to know Deadmeat is alive and well. He just surfaced at AVS in the big high-def DVD thread over there.

PC-Engine/Julie and Deadmeat, reunited at last, in the fullness of their anti-Sony glory:???:
 
Edge said:
> "Microsoft (actually Bill Gates) is clearly speaking on behalf of consumers. Whether you think they are accurately representing consumers or not is another issue."

Why can't I manage copy Windows then on different machines in my home?

In reality who cares what Microsoft thinks about the whole Blu-ray versus HD-DVD issue. I don't see them having the power to affect things, especially since recently they failed to stop two Hollywood studios from supporting Blu-ray, and also failed to dissuade their two biggest customers, Dell and HP, who openly criticized MS and Intel for misleading the whole issue.

Bill Gates lost this one, and made himself look foolish in the process.
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That's a good point. Why must I purchase separate copies of windows and office for each PC in my house? .. doesn't microsoft protect those commodities as much as the movie studios and music studios protect their own content?
 
eDoshin said:
That's a good point. Why must I purchase separate copies of windows and office for each PC in my house? .. doesn't microsoft protect those commodities as much as the movie studios and music studios protect their own content?
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Answer is yes. But MS is throwing up this front like they are ALL for the consumers all of a sudden. MS out of all companies. Makes me laugh. And how does MS know that companies that are making Ethernet ports for Blu-ray players aren't going to wireless zap the movies to other rooms? It seemed as if I read that they were going to do this in the future without MS being involved.
 
Can we please keep the personal and snide comments out of this thread?

I certainly have no love for PCE but let's not inflame things please.
 
wco81 said:
You will all be happy to know Deadmeat is alive and well. He just surfaced at AVS in the big high-def DVD thread over there.

PC-Engine/Julie and Deadmeat, reunited at last, in the fullness of their anti-Sony glory:???:
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Please keep the forum discussing forum topics and not personal attacks/conflicts/grudges. As per the FAQ...
 
Time-Warner is announcing Blu-Ray support today.

Universal maybe a hold out, but their position is certainly untenable at the moment.
 
london-boy said:
Warner announced support last week!
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No, that's just when the industry talk about such a move started to heat up. If they really do announce it today, well in my book that officially ends the war. The rest is clean-up.
 
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