Will Microsoft include HDMI IN functionality on XBox Slim and Scorpio?
There's a always some kind of cost to maintaining legacy code, and testing compatibility with dash and API updates. For Scorpio MS might want to be done with this. They are particularly brutal when it comes to killing stuff, regardless off the past investment. *sniff* Nokia ... 
Even if it were just a few dollars though, I think they've be better off putting that money into a quieter cooling solution, or marginally higher clocks, or a smaller PSU (hopefully internal), etc ....
Even if it were just a few dollars though, I think they've be better off putting that money into a quieter cooling solution, or marginally higher clocks, or a smaller PSU (hopefully internal), etc ....
They have a lot of telemetry yet nearly always misinterpret it.
x360 lots of people used it as media device. Bungle the launch so assume that people aren't interested in an all in one device, forgetting that the xo never had much media functionality anyway.
Oh people aren't using the pass through, or as a media device lets start removing that functionality and concentrate on only games, except that it was still lacking the required functionality, and it hadn't hit the required price point where it would be considered a good all in one device for the mass market not just gamers.
x360 lots of people used it as media device. Bungle the launch so assume that people aren't interested in an all in one device, forgetting that the xo never had much media functionality anyway.
Oh people aren't using the pass through, or as a media device lets start removing that functionality and concentrate on only games, except that it was still lacking the required functionality, and it hadn't hit the required price point where it would be considered a good all in one device for the mass market not just gamers.
Then break the HDMI IN functionality on the NXOE update for a large portion of users suffering Lag or Stuttering, then dont bother to fix it for the next 7 months, forcing users to remove the Xbox from their TV entertainment setup. Then look at the telemetry and conclude less people use TV functionality so don't bother to provide OTA DVR functionality for those that use the USB Tuner.
It's not because people aren't interested in it, its because MS broke the damn thing!
It's amazing how badly MS interprets the telemetry information. They could capture and grow a niche market, but instead they decide to throw that away. They killed MediaCenter. I think they will kill HDMI IN, and they will kill USB OTA Tuners. If they had supported MediaCenter on Win10 and on Xbox One, some would have had 3 or more Xbox Ones setup in their homes for live and recorded TV.
It's not because people aren't interested in it, its because MS broke the damn thing!
It's amazing how badly MS interprets the telemetry information. They could capture and grow a niche market, but instead they decide to throw that away. They killed MediaCenter. I think they will kill HDMI IN, and they will kill USB OTA Tuners. If they had supported MediaCenter on Win10 and on Xbox One, some would have had 3 or more Xbox Ones setup in their homes for live and recorded TV.
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Wow reading this feels so similar with how the community flames Bungie and Massive for 'misinterpreting' telemetry.
Maybe in most companies, the one responsible for telemetry has no understanding whatsoever with the data they are seeing?
So they lost the most important thing : context.
Maybe in most companies, the one responsible for telemetry has no understanding whatsoever with the data they are seeing?
So they lost the most important thing : context.
Exactly. All in one media is a hard nut to crack. When they promised to go after that problem, we though "wow, they must have something cooking in there, cause everyone knows how many factors and features are required to get all that media functionality working properly. If MS says they are doing it, they must have figured it out, they can't be THAT clueless"
Now both us and them learned they actually just had no idea what they were doing. They really were THAT clueless. No wonder high-up execs got fired, they had major over-sights and misjudgements in all fronts.
Now both us and them learned they actually just had no idea what they were doing. They really were THAT clueless. No wonder high-up execs got fired, they had major over-sights and misjudgements in all fronts.
they would have been fine if they just came out with a usb cable tunner . Priced it at $100 or $150 and offer 4 channel recording at once. People would have picked it up in record numbers.
Now it is to late and hopefully they are building some sort of streaming service of their own for live tv
Now it is to late and hopefully they are building some sort of streaming service of their own for live tv
they wouldn't be to far behind if they got it out this year or early next year. Remember they also have the whole pc side to offer it too not just the xbox side.
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This year? Early next year? That's in 6 to 9 months. Even if this was feasible, what good would it do to launch a TV service in so many months or years after everyone else?
This is the kind of thinking that puts Microsoft at a disadvantage. Microsoft "could" do many things. Actually doing them is something else. As we found out with their past TV experience on Xbone with HDMI pass through, MS can't pull out a TV experience or service out of their proverbial bum at a whim. It's just not going to happen like that.
Getting all those channels to work with them on a service in the first place takes more than a year of work of building confidence in a delivery service that can meet certain expectations and importantly guarantee some return value to the channel partners. Let's not pretend this stuff is easy just to paint a pretty picture for Microsoft, that's not doing them any favours.
This is a classic Microsoft problem anyway. They are always late to the party and assume that being late is not a problem no matter what domain it is. PC gaming? So late they pretty much gave the victory to Steam. In the meantime while GFWL failed, GOG, Origin, Uplay, and others sprung up and made huge success. MP3 players? Late, remember Zune? No, I don't either. Phones? Late and almost killed Nokia off entirely. Tablets? Late. Now it's movie and TV services. Beaten to the punch by Apple, Google, Amazon, Netflix, and Hulu, just to name a few. Now even Sony can be added to that list.
The irony is it was only Microsoft who was lambasted for their TV policies by putting them front and center at E3/Xbone announcement time. What Microsoft usually ends up doing is a complete mismatch for what they talk about or need to do and everything usually ends up coming at the wrong time or in the wrong place.
Even their PC games strategy is increasingly puzzling as they are releasing ROTR and QB and Gears on PC yet refuse to bring Halo 5 which is probably the one game out of their portfolio that would make a ton of people sign up for UWA games.
Microsoft has to accept first what they are doing wrong if they wish to correct their ways, or they are simply doomed to repeat all these things over again. Trying to catch lightning in a bottle after the fact as they have done for the last 20+ years is not working.
This is despite their massive capital and annual profits, they still consistently fail to capitalize on new consumer technology areas, because they sincerely and wrongly believe they can enter these markets long after they are established and succeed when all the evidence is to the contrary.
Microsoft needs to take a much, much closer look at the success of their Xbox 360 and apply that type of thinking to all of their gaming and media services. They were aggressive, took initiative, and made huge strides in the console market to great effect.
Turn the page 8 years to Xbone and you see the dinosaur-type Microsoft that can only be described as slow, lazy, inattentive, and complacent. Some nice qualities that form spectacular disasters in the consumer technology space.
The thing is you still need them. Sony got Netflix and other apps late for the ps3 but they still went after them , can you imagine if the ps4 didn't have Netflix ?
In 8 years a tv service may be a required part of a console just like online play is now. It doesn't matter if they are late as long as they get it and do it right.
Look at the ps2 , Sega had a modem and a lan adapter and an online service with a bunch of games. Sony came late to the party with their adapter and had basicly no support. The xbox came out and provided a complete package and the 360 refined it. Imagine Sony didn't adapt and add in support from the get go with the ps3 and then worked to refine it all last generation .
rockaman
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I still need who for what? What does that even mean? The logic in your post is extremely confused, and is at worst most revealing that you are talking about events that happened 16 years ago. Those things don't matter anymore. This is the technology space, no one cares what happened 16 years ago.
Like why are you talking about PS2 network adapter for a console that sold 160 million plus and is the highest selling console of all time? What does that caveat of not having online mean to Sony for PS2? Nothing.
Why are you even talking about SEGA? Like really dude, SEGA? No one cares what SEGA did, kids don't even know they had a console anymore! Living in the past does not help Microsoft or help your argument
What does it matter if Sony got Netflix late at this point? Playing a caveat war over minor details that we know after several years did not damage sales for PS3 or now PS4 is not going to help Microsoft succeed when overall Sony has many more of their ducks in order in the videogames and console/living room services space.
And yes, it does matter if you are on time. You're regurgitating the universal apology for Microsoft, and it doesn't help them, even if it may give them a chance in your mind. And the problem isn't really that you think this way about Microsoft, it is that Microsoft themselves think that showing up late with a half-ass attempt to enter a market doesn't matter when it very clearly does. Their products are consistently failing to pick up steam or make a dent in almost every new market space they enter, and people are still making these excuses for them. There is no purpose to it. They aren't surviving because of their success in new markets, they are surviving because of Windows and alone.
The irony in your post is that you are talking about Xbox Live in which Microsoft *didn't* show up late. They got online first, before Sony. They were aggressive, took initiative, and launched a successful service first. They continued their aggression into the Xbox 360 era to great success. So what happened with Xbone? They threw all that initiative and success away with lazy and half-ass attempts to annex the TV market with poor services.
First you need to realize that you argued in support of my point, that Xbox Live coming *first* was important, and that Xbox 360 also coming out first was extremely beneficial to the Xbox brand in 7th gen. If you don't realize that then you won't realize the terrible irony in your point about Xbox Live being first to get online in the 6th gen. And again, nobody cares what happened 16 years ago anymore though, that doesn't affect what happens currently, as is obvious by current sales.
Let go of the Microsoft apologist angle. It least does any favours to Microsoft or Xbox division. I want them to succeed too, but the solution is not to give them a free pass and vote of confidence for doing nothing, and if they continue to half-ass their strategies without appropriate planning and show up late, they are doomed to repeat all their mistakes of the past 20+ years. Timing is everything, but also doing the grunt work and leg work before all of that is just as important too.
Like why are you talking about PS2 network adapter for a console that sold 160 million plus and is the highest selling console of all time? What does that caveat of not having online mean to Sony for PS2? Nothing.
Why are you even talking about SEGA? Like really dude, SEGA? No one cares what SEGA did, kids don't even know they had a console anymore! Living in the past does not help Microsoft or help your argument
What does it matter if Sony got Netflix late at this point? Playing a caveat war over minor details that we know after several years did not damage sales for PS3 or now PS4 is not going to help Microsoft succeed when overall Sony has many more of their ducks in order in the videogames and console/living room services space.
And yes, it does matter if you are on time. You're regurgitating the universal apology for Microsoft, and it doesn't help them, even if it may give them a chance in your mind. And the problem isn't really that you think this way about Microsoft, it is that Microsoft themselves think that showing up late with a half-ass attempt to enter a market doesn't matter when it very clearly does. Their products are consistently failing to pick up steam or make a dent in almost every new market space they enter, and people are still making these excuses for them. There is no purpose to it. They aren't surviving because of their success in new markets, they are surviving because of Windows and alone.
The irony in your post is that you are talking about Xbox Live in which Microsoft *didn't* show up late. They got online first, before Sony. They were aggressive, took initiative, and launched a successful service first. They continued their aggression into the Xbox 360 era to great success. So what happened with Xbone? They threw all that initiative and success away with lazy and half-ass attempts to annex the TV market with poor services.
First you need to realize that you argued in support of my point, that Xbox Live coming *first* was important, and that Xbox 360 also coming out first was extremely beneficial to the Xbox brand in 7th gen. If you don't realize that then you won't realize the terrible irony in your point about Xbox Live being first to get online in the 6th gen. And again, nobody cares what happened 16 years ago anymore though, that doesn't affect what happens currently, as is obvious by current sales.
Let go of the Microsoft apologist angle. It least does any favours to Microsoft or Xbox division. I want them to succeed too, but the solution is not to give them a free pass and vote of confidence for doing nothing, and if they continue to half-ass their strategies without appropriate planning and show up late, they are doomed to repeat all their mistakes of the past 20+ years. Timing is everything, but also doing the grunt work and leg work before all of that is just as important too.
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Its not that coming latevto the party is impossible, its just much harder than MS seems to always anticipate. They make a bunch of noise about wanting to enter a certain market, comonly release the stuff before its really ready, and give-up as soon as they encounter just a bit of resistance.
Its a mix of bad anticipation of the amount of effort it takes to enter new markets, with a lack of comitment to putting up a fight.
Its a mix of bad anticipation of the amount of effort it takes to enter new markets, with a lack of comitment to putting up a fight.
I still need who for what? What does that even mean? The logic in your post is extremely confused, and is at worst most revealing that you are talking about events that happened 16 years ago. Those things don't matter anymore. This is the technology space, no one cares what happened 16 years ago.
Like why are you talking about PS2 network adapter for a console that sold 160 million plus and is the highest selling console of all time? What does that caveat of not having online mean to Sony for PS2? Nothing.
Why are you even talking about SEGA? Like really dude, SEGA? No one cares what SEGA did, kids don't even know they had a console anymore! Living in the past does not help Microsoft or help your argument
What does it matter if Sony got Netflix late at this point? Playing a caveat war over minor details that we know after several years did not damage sales for PS3 or now PS4 is not going to help Microsoft succeed when overall Sony has many more of their ducks in order in the videogames and console/living room services space.
And yes, it does matter if you are on time. You're regurgitating the universal apology for Microsoft, and it doesn't help them, even if it may give them a chance in your mind. And the problem isn't really that you think this way about Microsoft, it is that Microsoft themselves think that showing up late with a half-ass attempt to enter a market doesn't matter when it very clearly does. Their products are consistently failing to pick up steam or make a dent in almost every new market space they enter, and people are still making these excuses for them. There is no purpose to it. They aren't surviving because of their success in new markets, they are surviving because of Windows and alone.
The irony in your post is that you are talking about Xbox Live in which Microsoft *didn't* show up late. They got online first, before Sony. They were aggressive, took initiative, and launched a successful service first. They continued their aggression into the Xbox 360 era to great success. So what happened with Xbone? They threw all that initiative and success away with lazy and half-ass attempts to annex the TV market with poor services.
First you need to realize that you argued in support of my point, that Xbox Live coming *first* was important, and that Xbox 360 also coming out first was extremely beneficial to the Xbox brand in 7th gen. If you don't realize that then you won't realize the terrible irony in your point about Xbox Live being first to get online in the 6th gen. And again, nobody cares what happened 16 years ago anymore though, that doesn't affect what happens currently, as is obvious by current sales.
Let go of the Microsoft apologist angle. It least does any favours to Microsoft or Xbox division. I want them to succeed too, but the solution is not to give them a free pass and vote of confidence for doing nothing, and if they continue to half-ass their strategies without appropriate planning and show up late, they are doomed to repeat all their mistakes of the past 20+ years. Timing is everything, but also doing the grunt work and leg work before all of that is just as important too.
And my point was that sony was late , had a terrible online service from the ps2 through the ps3 but it hasn't stopped people from buying a ps4 .
So why would MS being late with tv streaming stop being from buying an xbox ?
That is my point. If people don't care how late you are as long as you have it then of course MS should put it out.
I think your the one confused and should reread the post I replied to
I think MS had a great plan for the xbox one but the major shit storm to new ideas had them panicked. Console gamers are extremely resistant to change compared to pc gamers. That's why the minority buy discs for pcs while the majority buy them on console.
It took generations for gamers to accept online play with consoles while on the pc it was off to the races as soon as doom implemented it.
Their plan for XBO was full of good ideas, in a bad execution. The shitstorm was warranted, and something MS would have predicted and made them aproach their release differently if they had tge slightest idea of what the fuck they were doing.
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An all in-one media box is not a new idea, and its so hard for someone to do it right because it is indeed damn hard to do it right. A next gen console is in my opinion a terrible trojan horse for a media set-top-box device. Early adopters of a new console are primarily focused on gaming, every single dolar spent on a new-gen console better be targeted at stuff that will make it a better gaming machine. Other peripheral functionality should be stuff that can come for free or little expense (BR playback, netflix etc.) Stuff like HDMI-IN is great, but it would be a better adition to a hardware revision once the platform is already stablished and strong, and cost reductions allowed you to not have to sell the box at salty $450.
The whole always on-line idea was also terribly handled. The first thing that should have been obvious to MS is that most consumers would expect to be screwed up. MS should have countered that negativity with a plan for heavy discounts for games sold digitally and concentrated their communication on that and the benefits of their system. Instead they pretended none of that was happening and left the media to come up with questions which stirred the narratived much more towards their limitations than their advantages. The fact that they wanted to avoid the topic gives great corroboration to the idea that even them and publishers though consumers were getting a shitty deal after all, and would only buy into it because they were silly drones that would buy anything under the unstopable xbox brand (very ps3-launchy mentality) so more power to the whiners that scared MS off of their "grand plan".
The whole always on-line idea was also terribly handled. The first thing that should have been obvious to MS is that most consumers would expect to be screwed up. MS should have countered that negativity with a plan for heavy discounts for games sold digitally and concentrated their communication on that and the benefits of their system. Instead they pretended none of that was happening and left the media to come up with questions which stirred the narratived much more towards their limitations than their advantages. The fact that they wanted to avoid the topic gives great corroboration to the idea that even them and publishers though consumers were getting a shitty deal after all, and would only buy into it because they were silly drones that would buy anything under the unstopable xbox brand (very ps3-launchy mentality) so more power to the whiners that scared MS off of their "grand plan".
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