Well, that about wraps it up for blu-ray.
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hongcho said:
Dell has an alternative to Intel in AMD, i think its more interesting is what if Microsoft demands Dell to support HD-DVD.
Now that i think of it, what benefit does Dell bring to the table for the BD group? They are slaves to Wintel so wouldnt they pretty much have to go along with those guys?
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I'm sure many've been p!ssd off by the moves of the wintel empire. They should thread carefully... The bull's partly shackled, and if gets too bothersome it may just be collectively butchered.
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When companies make a power play to improve their personal profits and market standing people cheer them on, "Good job ol' chap!" When Wintel makes a move that is to their advantage they are the devil. Its like people want them not to compete and just roll over.zidane1strife said:
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london-boy said:
Excellent point, and I was also going to add that it's not like porn is demanding a "hi-def" medium, in the first place. Porn will always be more about the, ahem, content, and DVD's and broadband pretty much have capacity covered just fine. Porn and HD is squarely a moot issue.
Console is never MS's core business.They are making in roads into this business is because they were eyeing a chunk of the industry.This is very unlike Nintendo where videogames remains at heart and Sony which has always made the Playstation brand as their main product line.
By taking sides MS has clearly revealed their intention of giving the giant consumer electronic companies a ride.How are they going to gain further trust of the east asians is one question to be thought.The only reason why some of the Japanese are supporting them is because of the the money factor but loyalty remains the big question.How long could MS continue to feed them?I reckon as soon as MS tries to lose interest they absolutely turn their backs once again.
By taking sides MS has clearly revealed their intention of giving the giant consumer electronic companies a ride.How are they going to gain further trust of the east asians is one question to be thought.The only reason why some of the Japanese are supporting them is because of the the money factor but loyalty remains the big question.How long could MS continue to feed them?I reckon as soon as MS tries to lose interest they absolutely turn their backs once again.
Dell doesn't do AMD. And yes Dell is just a slave to Wintel. Those options to chose to have Red Hat, SUSE, Novell, or even NO OS installed on a machine are just there to give you the appearance of choice.expletive said:
M$ am i rite.zidane1strife said:
Apple is switching it Intel as well there bucko, omg the Apptel empire is coming up next. Seriously this thread is exposing a lot of angsty people who have a lot of (probably unfounded) hate towards MS and Intel as well as some people's misinformation. Watch out for that run of the bulls.
On topic however, the average consumer doesn't care which format wins (if either does) (however, some technerds might start crying in their parents basements). As long as everybody can remember that the companies that back either side are doing it for their sake, not yours, the world will be a happy place. Personally I'm more against Blu-ray because of its DRM (which AFAIK is "more" than wha HD-DVD has). However, I plan on waking up one day in the future where neither side has won (like the DVD +- battle), drives will be able to read both disc structures, and most of you will continue to argue your side. Neither format has to win as long as the hardware can read both so quit getting your damn panties in a twist.
On the Wintel Empire, I can only go by what I've heard over the years including what my university lecturers were saying. MS and Intel were in cahoots to drive hardware sales by crippling the software so it ran slow on older computers. If MS had been efficient hardware would not have progressed as quickly and Intel wouldn't have made as much money to date. There's a fair bit of evidence supporting this as well. I think to many observers (me included) MS's business maneouvres are more underhand then many (public companies perhaps. I'm sure there's some businesses with a 'Dead Horse in the Bed' approach to market control!). Rather then just supplying a product and marketting it and have people buy it, MS seek as much to stiffle the competition, such as messing up open standards and just plain stealing technology.
None are angels, but MS seem that bit closer to the devil then many.
But this isn't really worth anything to this topic which is severly derailed now. HDDVD's fine and dandy, but noe we're talking about the politics of the PC industry. Might be time to reconsider where this topic is going and if it's worth continuing in the console forum or moving to the PC forum.
None are angels, but MS seem that bit closer to the devil then many.
But this isn't really worth anything to this topic which is severly derailed now. HDDVD's fine and dandy, but noe we're talking about the politics of the PC industry. Might be time to reconsider where this topic is going and if it's worth continuing in the console forum or moving to the PC forum.
While I disagree with your assessment of the Wintel empire (and the intent to run poorly!) one comment sticks out: Since when is MS any different than any other company in regards to standards? In the context of this thread we have BD which is clearly a powerplay by certain companies to have a more prorpriatary format that will mean more profits for key industry companies. The goal is clearly to create a non-commodity device that will not become a commodity anytime soon.
Its all perception. Take web standards: IE may not adhear to all W3C standards, but neither did Netscape. Heck, even Macromedia Studio 2004 churns out non standard code.
All these companies have products and they want to push consumers to their products and make their product a success. Look at Apple. The fact Macs have Quicktime (MS had to offer a Windows version decoupled of WMP in Europe) and Quicktime now is joined at the hip with iTunes (which does NOT play nice with some MP3 players I might add) are just examples where a company protects their investment and forces new standards--proprietary ones at that--on consumers.
Companies have that right. It is called being competitive. Of course not everything MS has ever done is right, but I think people confuse the wrongs with traditional business practices. They have to compete to make money.
Seriously, I think people want big companies to roll over.
Its all perception. Take web standards: IE may not adhear to all W3C standards, but neither did Netscape. Heck, even Macromedia Studio 2004 churns out non standard code.
All these companies have products and they want to push consumers to their products and make their product a success. Look at Apple. The fact Macs have Quicktime (MS had to offer a Windows version decoupled of WMP in Europe) and Quicktime now is joined at the hip with iTunes (which does NOT play nice with some MP3 players I might add) are just examples where a company protects their investment and forces new standards--proprietary ones at that--on consumers.
Companies have that right. It is called being competitive. Of course not everything MS has ever done is right, but I think people confuse the wrongs with traditional business practices. They have to compete to make money.
Seriously, I think people want big companies to roll over.
Anyone have any thoughts on what Dell can do with Blu-Ray now that Wintel is in the HD-DVD camp?
If Vista requires HD-DVD or at least supports the format natively, will dell then include BD drives in each computer as well?
I have no idea what value they can add to BR at this point, oR how they will navigate this whole situation.
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If Vista requires HD-DVD or at least supports the format natively, will dell then include BD drives in each computer as well?
I have no idea what value they can add to BR at this point, oR how they will navigate this whole situation.
J
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expletive said:
Vista or any PC program released in the next 10 years will never require HDDVD.
Most programs still don't require DVD, and that's been out for ages.
london-boy said:
It may not be required, but if future versions windows support an HD video format it will be HD-DVD. With WMCE gaining acceptance, i'm sure it will be at least 'supported' sooner rather than later (Vista). And people buying a WMCE PC, for basically upgrading the optical drive, you get full HD-DVD support for your home entertainment center.
That said, can Dell support BR with Wintel in the other camp?
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c0_re said:
Well, what has happened recently at my work place has put things into perspective. The company i'm working at is currently looking to acquire AMD workstations from now on (instead of the IBM Pentium4's that there getting). There also in the transition of adding new servers that are run purely on Linux.
This is all after something happened with DELL. So the scenario basically goes. They have a falling out with Dell, they start to add new servers with Linux, they switch to IBM, after the switch they proactivley look to go to AMD instead of Pentium (Which IBM is going to supply them with...IBM workstations with AMDs inside
). This is no small company either. I personally see a push for alternatives from Wintel. Although the deciding factor will ALWAYS be what home users choose (general generic home users). But the push is there, i'm hoping and waiting for a flood though.Thats surprising to me, most companies I've been working with are moving away from Linux because of critical support issues(depends on busness model) and away from Unix centric hardware because of the initial cost of the hardware and the ongoing cost of support.
Now AMD on the desktop I think is a great idea(although I have yet to see it in a large corp environment) AMD has a ways to go before they can catch up with intel on the server front though not only in hardware but software compatabuility though as well.(Everyone QA and load tests their software on Intel boxes.
Now AMD on the desktop I think is a great idea(although I have yet to see it in a large corp environment) AMD has a ways to go before they can catch up with intel on the server front though not only in hardware but software compatabuility though as well.(Everyone QA and load tests their software on Intel boxes.
c0_re said:
From a programming standpoint (Coding, Compiling) i'm almost certain that Pentium are better suited for that. But I think the push is because Pentium is charging alot for the actual CPU per bulk. Also, I think the company itself is associating Pentium with Dell. So Pentium just got in the crossfire. I'm not to sure if AMD is mature enough (as a large scale company) to provide enough Processors to many businesses...but in the end, they need to start somewhere.
When I was at our "IBM" meeting, I was actually shocked to hear the "IT Purchasing" lady say "when will we be able to get AMD desktops". The "IBM" guy said very soon. I'm guessing there in the new model stations that where supposed to be getting sometime in October. Appearently the stations with AMD's are supposed to also have PCI-e slots and basically be very up to date. I personally think this decision was made by a couple of higher up geeks...and i'm happy their going threw with it
As far as the support issues for Linux based Servers. Yeah, thats a big problem for Businesses in general. The critical nature of uptimes and downtimes of servers is very important. Although Red Hat is supposed to be good with their support for their software. But I would understand a company wanting to stay with Windows Server based OS's simply for the support.
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exaclty in situations where small chucks of downtime (file\print server) I think clustered Linux(on x86 hardware) has huge advantages(we do some of that) but when you need 100% uptime and high level app support there really isn't any alternative to
A. Expensive(to buy and support) Sun boxes running Solaris
B. Clusterd or load balanced Windows 2003 Servers(Expensive software but cheap hardware and long\short term support costs.
A. Expensive(to buy and support) Sun boxes running Solaris
B. Clusterd or load balanced Windows 2003 Servers(Expensive software but cheap hardware and long\short term support costs.
c0_re said:
I actually noticed Sun Servers running in the cluster server room. Two racks that stick out like a sore thumb
. I hate Solaris with a passion. Took classes to become a Sun Solaris System admin....ZzzzZzzZZzZZZzc0_re said:
Since the opteron AMD is well suited for the servers, better than Intel i should say.
Opteron are much more efficient, they eat less power and generate less eat, it"s appreciated in a data center.
x86_64 extensions are great. they run great in 32 bits too.
The relative (to uniprocessor) efficiency of multi-processor is a lot better.
The software compatibilty isn't a problem for us. I never heard of software or even incompatibility issues with athlon64/opteron, did you ?
Dual-core bi-processors make for cheap quad-way servers, we use it to run a lot of virtual server (linux vservers).
Doing the same using Intel processors would cost us a lot more money and be less powerful and less efficient.
I'm so sorry when i see uninformed corporations or administrations buy Celeron based desktop when they could buy an amd64 desktop for the same price.
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