Warner Exclusive Blu-ray= More PS3 sold?

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That's a huge chnge in HD DVDs fortunes seeing as less than a year ago Walmart were being hailed as HD DVD's saviours. What did actually happen with that plan?

It's finally over. NHK reported it, Toshiba had halted all HD DVD development and production, just clearing inventory now. They reportedly had lost hundreds millions of dollars in this war. I guess their executives did turned blue when Warner announced the switched.

Overall this war is kinda useful, without it Blu-ray camp might still be using MPEG-2 for all we know.
 
I still don't understand why sony and toshiba had competing formats?
I thought they were friends? You know they went in together with the cell chip, and sony sold them their manufacturing plants, etc...

Edit : Sorry sevanig, I edited your post instead of quoting! :oops: I've forgotten your last line so can't put in back in.
 
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I still don't understand why sony and toshiba had competing formats?
I thought they were friends? You know they went in together with the cell chip, and sony sold them their manufacturing plants, etc...
No friendship, only business. If they felt they could get more money but outdoing their rival rather than cooperating, they'll go that route. You give with one hand and take with the other hoping to take more in net than the people you are working with. Maybe, just maybe, this'll help avoid stubborn format wars in future, where there is always a loser which doesn't happen in a compromise. Toshiba could have cooperated with Sony back in the talks (and vice versa of course, but the victors chose right to be stubborn!) but didn't make the right concessions.

The good news for the tech industries now is a focus on one format and a drive for hardware reduction costs, which will benefit PS3 alongside the de-facto new format. There's nothing now to stop the appeal of PS3 as an all-round entertainment box so we also get to see how much the market actually wants such a thing.
 
True. I never had any doubt that Blu-Ray would win. It even sounds cooler than HD-DVD. I also think people are right that the format war at least pushed Sony towards MPEG-4, which is a good thing.
 
I still don't understand why sony and toshiba had competing formats?
I thought they were friends? You know they went in together with the cell chip, and sony sold them their manufacturing plants, etc...

Money to be made. Toshiba made alot of money out of DVD generation, if they joined the Blu-ray group, their cut is going to be substantially reduce. Sony is taking about 20% of the pie if I remember correctly for this HD generation.
 
Money to be made. Toshiba made alot of money out of DVD generation, if they joined the Blu-ray group, their cut is going to be substantially reduce. Sony is taking about 20% of the pie if I remember correctly for this HD generation.

There're no hard royalty share numbers around, so best not to guesstimate for fear that those might somehow become gospel. More important to Sony than simply the royalties, is that they are the most invested in the actual disc production, equipment sales, diode fabbing, and infrastructure in general. So, their interests go far beyond the royalty split.

The hundreds of millions is a charge off Toshiba will take to cease HD DVD operations, rather than the amount they've lost so far also.
 
The other good thing to come out of this format war is that the competition brought the price down fast. I dont think it will be long until Microsoft announce a blu-ray add-on.
 
I've read the losses for Toshiba could run into the billions to exit HD-DVD.Is there anything compatible with BD-ROM that they could salvage to make a transition to BD and maybe save some money?
 
Panasonic, Sony, Philips, etc. all reached out to ALL the CE companies including Toshiba.

Most of them joined the effort which became Blu-Ray.

Toshiba was the hold out. They wanted to maintain their patent royalties.

It's not an accident that the disc structure and replication infrastructure is similar to the DVD. That was the plan, to keep patents intact. That is what the capacity and bandwidth parameters of HD-DVD are a modest, incremental improvement beyond DVD.

The losses Toshiba will be suffering are all self-inflicted. Greed and hubris coming home to roost.

Remember, in the days leading up to E3 2005, before the PS3 was unveiled, there were furious negotiations and in the end, Yamada convinced the Toshiba CEO to hold out.

Instead they lamely proposed HD-DVD 45 GB, hoping to lure Disney with it.

Then a couple of years later, they tried again with the 51 GB variant.

They kept harping about lower costs for disc replication yet the studios priced HD-DVD movies the same as Blu-Ray (actually Blu-Ray was often less).

They obviously subsidized these fire-sales of players but it has turned out all to be in vain.

Oh and MS enabled this bullheaded course. When Warner went format neutral, leaving only Universal as HD-DVD exclusive, that could have been the coup de grace, about a year and a half ago. But MS went into red alert mode to prop up HD-DVD.
 
Another interesting question now is how XB360 can be extended with BluRay to challenge PS3 in that respect too? How much would an add-on drive be, and what would the quality be like? If BRD is selling PS3s, and MS could get something similar but cheaper out, could BRD's success be used against PS3?
 
Toshiba Bailing Out?

I don't know if it's been posted, but there's rumours of Toshiba dropping out of the race in the coming weeks.

See Here

If true, there'll be no denying the BluRay's effect on PS3 sales.

But what are chances of this being true?
 
Another interesting question now is how XB360 can be extended with BluRay to challenge PS3 in that respect too? How much would an add-on drive be, and what would the quality be like? If BRD is selling PS3s, and MS could get something similar but cheaper out, could BRD's success be used against PS3?

That's an interesting question. Sony has been very vocal about the Blu Ray drive in the PS3 as an advantage over the competition. If Microsoft comes out with a Blu Ray drive addon (and maybe a better blu ray drive than the PS3's) one "key difference" of the PS3 is lost (although it's build in in the PS3's case).

I wonder what would be more important for Sony though, would they mind if it causes more Blu Ray's sold?
 
In that respect it looks like BRD inclusion has been vindicated. Sony used PS3 to establish the format and it worked. The financial success of PS3 has to be considered with respect to the financial success of BRD now, as if the net gains for Sony are beyond what a DVD based console could get (say comparable to PS2's success) then any losses in the console space are still a plus for the company as a whole. A lot now depends on whether the masses adopt HD or stick with DVD.
 
Another interesting question now is how XB360 can be extended with BluRay to challenge PS3 in that respect too? How much would an add-on drive be, and what would the quality be like? If BRD is selling PS3s, and MS could get something similar but cheaper out, could BRD's success be used against PS3?
personally, i don't see it helping MS all that much in terms of using it against Sony. they would have to sell the add-on drive next to nothing to do so as the price differential between the PS3 and 360 is too minimal. and currently, the price to make an add-on drive would be too high for them to sell for so little.

this will obviously take away one of the PS3's fairly big selling points. however, the people that buy the PS3 as a movie player first are usually home theater buffs, and they usually like to have as few components in their setup as possible to keep it clean. unless of course they make it small enough so that won't be an issue. i just don't see them opting for the 360 + add-on when the PS3 has it built in.

as for gamers that are on the fence between the two, i think blu-ray will be a small deciding factor.
 
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If Microsoft comes out with a Blu Ray drive addon (and maybe a better blu ray drive than the PS3's) one "key difference" of the PS3 is lost (although it's build in in the PS3's case).

Not completely,unless MS allows developers to use it for games purposes which they haven't so far.
 
In that respect it looks like BRD inclusion has been vindicated. Sony used PS3 to establish the format and it worked. The financial success of PS3 has to be considered with respect to the financial success of BRD now, as if the net gains for Sony are beyond what a DVD based console could get (say comparable to PS2's success) then any losses in the console space are still a plus for the company as a whole. A lot now depends on whether the masses adopt HD or stick with DVD.

It would still be hindered by the onboard hardware in the X360 ---> no 5.1 PCM. So it would never be "on spec" with a PS3. For Blu-Ray i think it would be a good move to expand the market, so i hope Microsoft releases a addon.

That being said, considering the developer time they used just to get their "own" stuff up and running on the 360 it will take a while before they could be ready.
 
It would still be hindered by the onboard hardware in the X360 ---> no 5.1 PCM. So it would never be "on spec" with a PS3.

Speaking of the masses, does this particular spec even matter? How many people are going to update their home theatre sound systems just to use the more advanced audio streams?
 
Speaking of the masses, does this particular spec even matter? How many people are going to update their home theatre sound systems just to use the more advanced audio streams?

No idea, i haven´t updated yet for example and i should be one of the first in line :) but it´s complicated.

However "uncompressed" quality is one of the points of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

The add on would also have to be compatible with Profile 2.0 so either it would need 1GB storage on board or require a 360 with Hard drive.
 
I wonder what would be more important for Sony though, would they mind if it causes more Blu Ray's sold?

They probably don't mind as long as it means more $$$ for them (for the Blu-ray royalties, components and additional disc sale).

Once there is an opening (BD-Live apps), BD studios, -- including Sony Pictures -- can also publish Java games for the Xbox 360 + Blu-ray combo without paying MS any license fees. They will be able to access a separate network service beyond Xbox Live ...assuming MS does a reasonable job with BD-J.

We also have to see how much MS sell the BD add-on for because there is no reason for MS to subsidize it.
 
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