Possibly the HUD.
The technology of Alan Wake *spawn
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Possibly the HUD.
Kameradschaft
Regular
Correct me if I'm wrong but games like MW2 & Halo 3 for example don't have also 720p HUD? for example in MW2 isn't the signal that goes into the 360 GPU scaler 600p and then gets upscaled at whatever resolution you have set? the difference with AW is that the signal that goes to the GPU scaler is 720p.
Again, this issue is also quite more complicated then that.
What if the game isn't running in FP10, but FP16 or some other format for HDR rendering? Or at 60fps? Or it uses deferred shading / lighting?
Some of the modern rendering technologies used in today's games weren't even invented when MS designed the X360, their engineers had completely different concepts in mind. We're actually pretty close to the originally intended end of the console's life cycle, had the PS3 been a stronger competitor I'm sure we would've seen a new Xbox emerge for this holiday season - so the hardware is now getting pushed past its perceived limit, and this will only continue.
If games today wouldn't be expected to use dozens of lights with HDR, perfect shadows, SSAO, sharp textures, all kinds of post processing and so on, then I'm sure we'd see a lot of them with 2x-4xAA. But there's only so much you can do with the system and it seems the audience doesn't care about AA on the X360 that much, so it's a lower priority.
What if the game isn't running in FP10, but FP16 or some other format for HDR rendering? Or at 60fps? Or it uses deferred shading / lighting?
Some of the modern rendering technologies used in today's games weren't even invented when MS designed the X360, their engineers had completely different concepts in mind. We're actually pretty close to the originally intended end of the console's life cycle, had the PS3 been a stronger competitor I'm sure we would've seen a new Xbox emerge for this holiday season - so the hardware is now getting pushed past its perceived limit, and this will only continue.
If games today wouldn't be expected to use dozens of lights with HDR, perfect shadows, SSAO, sharp textures, all kinds of post processing and so on, then I'm sure we'd see a lot of them with 2x-4xAA. But there's only so much you can do with the system and it seems the audience doesn't care about AA on the X360 that much, so it's a lower priority.
Yes it does uses a deferred renderer, and as we all know it automatically demands more memory. And I guess they may be using FP16, the A2C transparency somewhat hints toward this since hardware alpha blend is not supported by Xenos when doing FP16....am I doing it right ?
Indeed Ms is fully aware of that and sometime ago gave on at enforcing 720p on developers. That was actually a good move imho as resolution doesn't say the whole story about IQ. And from the average gamer POV it's even less relevant.
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I would never say that I think that 720p is worse than 540p, quite the opposite, it isn't even slightly debatable, but 720p no AA in comparison with 540p + AAx4 isn't that great.
I see it as an interwoven choice made by the developers knowing that it was the best image quality taking into account all the features they wanted to add to the game, attempting to preserve and accomplish their IQ goals.
Rendering at 960x540p + AAx4 means that the game is actually rendered at 3840x2160.
Does it mean that it's rendered at UltraHD? Perhaps it isn't, but it's certainly 2-3 times better than 1280x720p no AA.
That's quiet a bit of a stretch
Ike Turner
Veteran
Err no. This isn't SSAA.
That's quiet a bit of a stretch
Sorry if I didn't explain what I was trying to say very well, in my opinion it's just that it is difficult to do. I think numbers might explain the features of the game better than I, and I was saying 2160p for borders goes far beyond that (720p no AA).
Two images recently published show the game running at 720p (?). Either way the game looks fine, a bit less blurry in these pics though:
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/107/1070128/alan-wake-20100218084206752.jpg
That one is probably a promo shot. Laying HUD over existing photo.
Also, if you look at the HUD you can spot some distortion/noise. Something that is not present in the videogamerszone.de's pictures.
That one is probably a promo shot. Laying HUD over existing photo.
Also, if you look at the HUD you can spot some distortion/noise. Something that is not present in the videogamerszone.de's pictures.
HollovVpo1nt
Newcomer
@ Cyan, the second image is a bullshit I think. That same screenshot can be found with no HUD.
The AA looks beyond 4xMSAA. I believe these are promotional shots.
Kameradschaft
Regular
The second picture is an old picture with the HUD tacked on but the first picture looks like it's from the same source as this one that was counted as 540p - also the IQ looks almost the same...
HollovVpo1nt
Newcomer
The first one is not. What I find odd is that some pixelcounters have counted the pixels and said it's 640p, Quaz and other counted 540p and another user above has counted 720p :S
Also, supposedly this might be a direct feed screenshot from the IGN Insider trailer of Alan Wake: Building the Thriller, the most recent trailer for Alan Wake (after it's gone gold).
Due to the amount of motionblurr it's impossible to pixelcount, unless we have some veterans here
Alucardx23
Regular
Alan Wake with post processing effects turned off and on.
The top image looks more like an albedo only, theres a lot more missing than post processing.
