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Xbox 360 vs PS3

Blu-Ray and PS3, Xbox 360 and DVD – the real battleground for the next generation of consoles from Games Digest

So the launch of the Xbox 360 has finally been, and all the units have gone. But does selling 50,000-odd consoles to a mix of canny eBay sellers and rabid gamers who will buy any new machine the day it comes out really constitute success? The lukewarm response by games reviewers says not. So Microsoft needs to build hard for 2006 when the real battle against the PS3 hits. But the battle this time isn't just about who has the most pixels or the best games, but who has the right disc. Both Sony and Microsoft have bet everything, not on their consoles, but on the way they deliver games. Microsoft's Xbox 360 features a standard DVD drive. Sony's PS3 has a much fancier Blu-Ray drive in it. The two approaches are at opposite end of the technological spectrum.

Microsoft's approach is to use the existing, and cheap, DVD format. Everyone knows it, it's produced in mass market quantities, and it holds 9 GB. Most games for existing consoles like the PS2 and Xbox don’t even fill up one DVD. Microsoft is betting that game makers won't be using that much more for the shiny new graphics on next-generation consoles. Meanwhile, Bill Gates has hinted he thinks DVD could be the last disc storage format. The Xbox 360 Live Marketplace already features game trailers and additional levels for games. Clearly Microsoft is set on a system like Valve Software's Steam. They put the games on Xbox Live, you download them.

But Microsoft has some fairly serious obstacles to overcome if it follows the download route. Retail and traditional game distribution's wariness of game downloads at the expense of the high street is likely to be a major stumbling block. Secondly, there are already rumours of Xbox 360 games in development that take up four DVDs. Four? Gamers, a largely sofa-bound demographic, will loathe getting up that often to change discs.

Thirdly, the hard drive that ships with the Xbox 360 is 20 GB. Or half the size of that four-DVD game. So how will the hard drive have the capacity to store downloaded games (and for that matter, how long will it take you to download before you can play)? Finally, what about people who want to use their machines to play movies? The "HD Era" that Microsoft trumpeted when hyping the Xbox 360 extends to the new High-Definition Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs that maximise movie visual potential. Gamers like movies. So will Microsoft, as they have hinted they will do if necessary, provide an add-on HD-DVD kit? If so, that's a lot of expense. And it will make their brand-new console look distinctly under-featured in comparion to Sony's PS3.

Sony, on the other hand, in embracing Blu-Ray, have their own problems. The discs have up to 50GB capacity already. But are looking like they'll be fearsomely expensive and complex to manufacture. That means pricier games, or fewer niche or quirky games and a format that may not win a format war with the cheaper HD-DVD.

If consumers don't opt for Blu-Ray, Sony is in real trouble. In effect, its console is a Trojan horse, like Microsoft's. Microsoft want an Xbox 360 in your living room, talking to the PC in your office. Sony, on the other hand, want a PS3 so that Blu-Ray is a success. Without PS3, without Blu-Ray, Sony looks like a very weak, financially ailing company past its innovative best.

Both companies have a lot at stake beyond the next console battle. They're both betting everything in the disc wars.

Nintendo Revolution has "another secret"

In-house games genius, Shigeru Miyamato, has hinted that Nintendo has one more secret to reveal regarding its next console, codename "Revolution". Miyamoto has already revealed two of the big secrets of the Revolution. That it will be able to play games from every Nintendo generation of hardware ever. It will load GameCube discs directly, but for the long line of hardware stretching back to the Nintendo Entertainment System, or NES, Nintendo will offer a broadband download service. Miyamoto has also revealed the Revolution's wand-pointing control system. It can sense if you wave the controller left, right, up and down, but also if you pitch it, roll it, or move it towards, or away from the screen. So what could Nintendo's last secret be? The two most likely contenders of the Internet rumours are (yes, we did say "most likely") a giant holographic display screen that lets you see games in 3D, or the controller also being able to deliver inertia effects – so moving it left or right might require effort. Unlikely, but in third place is the secret that, yes, the Revolution will be underpowered in terms of graphics and processing, in comparison to its two rivals.

40,000 Xbox 360s sold on eBay

Next-Gen.biz and Dow Jones are reporting that over a tenth of the US Xbox 360 launch allocation has been sold through eBay already. There is talk of entire stores selling their day one quota over the auction mega-site to get a better price for their consoles than simply handing them over to punters. The units were being sold new for from $299, while most eBay sales clocked over $800. It's simple math, as the average eBayer might put it.

Mobile and TV games up by 2010, PC games down

According to Informa's analysts, the games industry will be worth over £30bn by 2007. Console gaming will still make up the majority of that money. But there's an abrupt reversal coming for the rest of the pie. Mobile and interactive TV gaming is set to be generating most of the rest of the money, with PC gaming heading in the opposite direction. By 2010, the analysts predict, PC gaming sales will account for half the revenue it did in 2001. PCs are out, consoles and mobiles are in. Does this mean the mass market really is taking over? That the geeks are gone for good? If so, how come most of the games produced still reflect their sensibilities?
 
Nerve-Damage said:
There is talk of entire stores selling their day one quota over the auction mega-site to get a better price for their consoles than simply handing them over to punters.

I can't imagine that to be in the slightest bit legal, it certainly wouldn't be in the UK and if true I'd think that MS would be absolutely fuming with those stores if it could be proven. If MS just wanted units out in the wild and not in stores they would have sold them through eBay at those prices themselves and given that they will almost certainly be taking a loss themselves purely to get them into consumers hands I doubt they'll be too pleased about stores making that much profit on them and p/o'ing in-store customers at the same time.

Hey, I'm also one of those Brits who hates the American "let's sue" culture, but if I had a pre-order that wasn't filled from a store that I later discovered had sold its allocation on eBay then I would certainly consider it...
 
So do I I think they rock on both accounts I just find it funny it took them so long to tought it as a feature.

I really wish Nintendo would have done this with the Gamecube
 
c0_re said:
So do I I think they rock on both accounts I just find it funny it took them so long to tought it as a feature.

I really wish Nintendo would have done this with the Gamecube

Most likely now that 512 megs of flash ram was cheap enough that they could include it in the system .

Previously they would have had to either include a hardrive or use memory cards . The hardrive would have greatly raised the price of the unit and kept it at a higher price longer and memory cards would have made users shy away . Having to buy 4 meg memory cards at 15$ a pop would have hurt
 
jvd said:
Most likely now that 512 megs of flash ram was cheap enough that they could include it in the system .

Previously they would have had to either include a hardrive or use memory cards . The hardrive would have greatly raised the price of the unit and kept it at a higher price longer and memory cards would have made users shy away . Having to buy 4 meg memory cards at 15$ a pop would have hurt


Yea of course your right but that sucks it's just to bad if Nintendo could have done all this with the GameCube I think this generation could have potentially turned out MUCH MUCH different.
 
There's nothing to stop Sega, for example, from offering all their Master System, Megadrive and even M-CD, Saturn, Dreamcast and aracde titles through a pay-for-download service on Xbox 360 (or PS3 for that matter).

It's a good move for Nintendo to sell their old titles online, but it's not something Nintendo have invented and it's not something that only they can do (and limited to 512MB storage they'll hit limits for N64 pretty fast and be unable to offer GC games).
 
Mabye.

But this gen it will help alot more . There is now another reason other than the controller to buy the system. Which will help them as those that are affraid of the new control scheme now have what 4 generations of nitnendo games to buy that don't need the controller .


Also the advantage here is that n64 games are much smaller in size than psone games . So sony can't really go out and copy this idea as the bandwidth for a 600-700mb game is much diffrent than a 64 meg game
 
I think with a lot of "32-bit" games, if you replaced the redbook audio with mp3s or wmas then you could get the downloads much smaller. Of course, wouldn't work so well for Final Fantasy 7 ...
 
jvd said:
Also the advantage here is that n64 games are much smaller in size than psone games . So sony can't really go out and copy this idea as the bandwidth for a 600-700mb game is much diffrent than a 64 meg game
It wouldn't be a huge problem, I mean Kameo or Madden demo's on XBLive are >500mb, they download in an hour or so.

I don't think Sony has a huge market here like nintendo, 2d games stand the test of time MUCH better than 3d games do.

For example, fire up Punch-Out or SuperSprint on my XBOX and it looks excellent on my 46" tv, throw on an old ps1 or n64 game and it is just a garbled mess of ugliness.
 
the thing i don't understand is why isn't there more games on xbox live 2.0??(is it what 360 live service called btw?) i really don't think it would be that hard for ms to secure old sega,neo-geo,etc..games. Xbox live sevice already proved itself as a successful one and we all know evil master gates loves his money:devilish: (i dont think ms spent alot of money to build that xbox infastructure for nothing).A service like Gametap has already have a broad selection of games and it's not even a market proven service like xbox live. Wouldn't it be an huge advantage for ms if they already had a broad portfolio of old school classics before ps3 and rev(epecially rev) came out?
 
<nu>faust said:
the thing i don't understand is why isn't there more games on xbox live 2.0??(is it what 360 live service called btw?) i really don't think it would be that hard for ms to secure old sega,neo-geo,etc..games. Xbox live sevice already proved itself as a successful one and we all know evil master gates loves his money:devilish: (i dont think ms spent alot of money to build that xbox infastructure for nothing).A service like Gametap has already have a broad selection of games and it's not even a market proven service like xbox live. Wouldn't it be an huge advantage for ms if they already had a broad portfolio of old school classics before ps3 and rev(epecially rev) came out?

Most likely will take awhile for games to come out . They have to be tested to work on it an dthey have to get the rights .
 
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