The Final Fantasy XIII XB360 announcement discussion* (spawned)

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I think that the ps3 si still not exactely cheap and that some persons just have lost a reason to wait.

That's definitely true, not saying otherwise at all. I guess it's just a matter of how many of the FF fans out there are still waiting vs have already bought a PS3. It's made murkier because a number of FF fans who are also PS3 owners tend to be among the most rabid fanboys (just like the DMC4 crowd before them).

Frankly I think MS ended their conference with this announcement not because of any feeling on their end that this was the most significant thing on their agenda, but because of the meltdown it would cause in the Sony fanboy community ahead of tomorrow. It's seemingly worked elsewhere, but for me it's just... well, not ultimately all that surprising I guess.
 
I got your point ;) (EDIt I'm speaking to CarlB)
do we have data about MSG4 sales?
I mean if it makes sense for SE to prot FFXIII to the 360, depending on sales it could make sense to port MSG4 on the 360,no?
(Both have lot of FMV but It doesn't seem to concern SE and MSG4 is pretty linear).
 
Massive in minds of dedicated gamers, Yes. But to the general market, No.

If FF went 360 exclusive the ramifications might have been huge for the market in terms of sales software and hardware.

However, FF will sell just as well on the PS3 as a multi port as it would have as an exclusive. Going multiplat just means the franchise removed alot fodder from the fanboy wars and its not going to have much of effect on many's console's buying decisions.

FF, GT, Halo, KZ and MGS creates a portion of their hype based exclusivity. They end up making a lot of noise in the forums because they have become the definitive titles for fans defending their consoles. GTA and FF are basically gauranteed to find their future franchises less talked about then before when they were exclusive to a platform, but they will still sell as well as they have always sold as long as they are quality titles.

Come back to reality.

There is no way it's even possible for FF to sell as well on the PS3 as a mutliplatform title. By the very nature of being multiplatform it means some people holding out for more FF news will in at least a few cases by a Xbox 360 over a PS3 instead for it. Massive numbers for that case? No, but then you were claiming hard facts for something completely impossible.

Mind share and perception is a HUGE deal with gaming consoles. Arguments on forums often trickle down to your average consumer in some way or form. It makes people think in some way. You can't ignore this, mind share is a major part of the console business.
 
Come back to reality.

There is no way it's even possible for FF to sell as well on the PS3 as a mutliplatform title. By the very nature of being multiplatform it means some people holding out for more FF news will in at least a few cases by a Xbox 360 over a PS3 instead for it. Massive numbers for that case? No, but then you were claiming hard facts for something completely impossible.

Mind share and perception is a HUGE deal with gaming consoles. Arguments on forums often trickle down to your average consumer in some way or form. It makes people think in some way. You can't ignore this, mind share is a major part of the console business.

"Just as well" doesn't mean equal or better it means similar.

You need to come back to reality because the number of buyers who are holding out on buying a PS3 strictly for the release FF13 is to the point of insignificant.

The number of FF13 sold on the PS3 will be heavily dependent on the number of consoles that the PS3 sell into the market and the strength of PS3 sales isn't just dependent on one title.

PS3 sales aren't going to crash and burn because of FF13 going multiplatform nor is it likely that any title release 3-4 years into a generation is going to have any real impact at all. If this had been news at the start of the generation, then the impact would be bigger but we talking 2nd half of the generation.

The PS3 has the stongest lineup for the rest of the year and probably 2009, one game going multiplat is not going to ruin that advantage. The most important contributor of future PS3 sales will be "price" then followed by software library which consist of hundreds of games not just one.
 
FF13 is another part of the equation. It represents something beyond itself. That being third party exclusives in general are greatly shrinking. The writing is on the wall, ignore it if you wish. I've never said PS3 sales would crash in burn, I'm simply stating its yet another reason for someone to reconsider what they'd buy. Oh well, I'm about to accuse you of being something not tolerated here... time to step back out of the console forum. Great place and all.
 
That's definitely true, not saying otherwise at all. I guess it's just a matter of how many of the FF fans out there are still waiting vs have already bought a PS3. It's made murkier because a number of FF fans who are also PS3 owners tend to be among the most rabid fanboys (just like the DMC4 crowd before them).

Frankly I think MS ended their conference with this announcement not because of any feeling on their end that this was the most significant thing on their agenda, but because of the meltdown it would cause in the Sony fanboy community ahead of tomorrow. It's seemingly worked elsewhere, but for me it's just... well, not ultimately all that surprising I guess.

i think its more to do with how many people who like final fantasy bought 360s first because of the amazing games its had since 2005 and now have no reason to buy a ps3 in addition.

I have alot of friends who don't have alot of money and love Final fantasy and were saving and hoping the console would be avalible for $300 by the time Final Fantasy comes out. But they bought 360s because all of us were playing games on it and there were a good amount of jrpg and wrpg games . Now they simply don't have a reason (yet?).


I know very few people who have yet to buy a next gen console and I think most of them really just don't care about the games and will buy whatever we all play the most when the systems hit $200 bucks
 
FF13 is another part of the equation. It represents something beyond itself. That being third party exclusives in general are greatly shrinking. The writing is on the wall, ignore it if you wish. I've never said PS3 sales would crash in burn, I'm simply stating its yet another reason for someone to reconsider what they'd buy. Oh well, I'm about to accuse you of being something not tolerated here... time to step back out of the console forum. Great place and all.

Look at my post history and call me what you want. Ive owned a PS3 for all of 1 month with 1 game and 360 since march 06 with 17+ games, so I don't think "fanboy" could be a term you could use with any sincerity when it comes to my posts here in this topic.

consideration into one's buying decision yes, on a scale that will have "massive" ramification on the market in terms of sales of software and hardware, no.
 
I have alot of friends who don't have alot of money and love Final fantasy and were saving and hoping the console would be avalible for $300 by the time Final Fantasy comes out. But they bought 360s because all of us were playing games on it and there were a good amount of jrpg and wrpg games . Now they simply don't have a reason (yet?).

I know very few people who have yet to buy a next gen console and I think most of them really just don't care about the games and will buy whatever we all play the most when the systems hit $200 bucks

I bolded this part because it's the most important facet IMO. I'm not the kind of guy that has game sales figures on tap, because that's not my scene, but I'd say if we looked at FFXII sales, we could get a rough idea of what Final Fantasy's modern day fan base numbers look like in N America. Now, no doubt it's a couple of million. From that couple million, probably some already own a PS3, and some do not.

Among those that do not, some that might have purchased in the future may now never. But likewise, some that were considering FFXIII as a catalyst, may end up getting a PS3 anyway down the line for other reasons.

I'll look to Scooby and Paranoia's future moves and insights in this regard as they both are individuals with the disposable means to purchase at any time they choose and who were considering the PS3 based on this title. Neither has indicated that they are no longer interested in the system completely though; we're in an era now where although one game alone may be reason enough to buy a system, the absence of that cold calculus doesn't preclude many other motivating factors from coming into play.

I'm considering a 360 again after today for the first time in a while for instance, certainly not to do with the FFXIII news, and irrespective of what will be my continued support for the PS3. It's simply that as certain differentiating/appealing features reach a critical mass unique to each person, consideration rises or falls.

For some percentage of the Final Fantasy fan base (and the next-gen curious at large) that does not already own a PS3 already, the draw for the console may have fallen. But I imagine that it is Sony's intent to raise the appeal in other ways, I think that much goes without saying.

@Droid: The MS/monopoly line of thought is unproductive. Whatever MS' desires, remember that both Sony and Nintendo have larger budgets devoted to the games industry; the XBox division does not have unfettered access to "the billions." So I consider any advances and missteps made by the three relative to one another at this point to be done on a level playing field. If one of them should ever become a monopoly, and both Nintendo and Sony have been close themselves at different times, then we can talk doomsday scenarios. ;)
 
no doubt that sony will have more games to apeal to new buyers.

Of course ms isn't standing still either and from what I can see from planned release titles (and titles out already) ms has the more well rounded platform.

Final Fantasy and the other square rpgs was the last part of the puzzle .

MS has

First person shooters
RTS
3rd person shooters
Co-op
Ninja gadien type games
Xbox arcade titles
party games
Now they have a well rounded jrpg line up also.

Remember sony is currently behind and they need to make up ground , everything ms takes away from them or can basicly make moot like ff13 is more ground they have to make up.


I'm expecting more killzone and resistance 2 along with some other things like motor storm 2. however I think the only big announcment is god of war 3 (no doubt a huge game although i'm not a fan ) . But their line up will allways look worse than it did yesterday because ff 13 is no longer exclusive
 
I have to say I think Xalion is correct in a lot of his points. How many of the 360 early adopters bought at launch for a Halo game that wasn't to release for another couple of years? And same with the PS3 set; in a way, FFXIII has already given its boost to the PS3, notwithstanding that if it were to be reviewed a truly incredible game in its own right, that would be an advantage lost by the PS3 come US release time.
You think most of the 5-8 million FF fans bought consoles at a $400 price point in the past? Or that they all bought a PS3 already? That's half the PS3 userbase!

There's a lot of FF fans that aren't hardcore gamers with lots of cash. I don't think it's very reasonable to think that those for whom FF is a system seller would buy a console so many years in advance.
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You need to come back to reality because the number of buyers who are holding out on buying a PS3 strictly for the release FF13 is to the point of insignificant.
Massive in minds of dedicated gamers, Yes. But to the general market, No.
You missed Shifty's point. FF is fairly well known to be a staple Sony franchise among the target audience for console gaming. Seeing it go multiplatform is a very strong symbol of almost all games being available on 360.

That most definately is massive, as it could be argued that this is the only reason that the original XBox did so poorly.

I really hope Sony survives this generation.
Heh, don't get drawn in by all this doom and gloom talk. It's not about PS3 crashing. It's about Microsoft avoiding it.

The crushing weight of the Playstation brand has been lifted from Microsoft's shoulders. It's almost a level playing field now, with Polyphony Digital the last big reason, IMO, for assigning extra value to the Sony brand (I'm not talking about other factors, like BR playback or price). MS has reached the level of success that makes studios rightly ask for a lot of compensation to keep their titles away from the 360, and it's no longer worth it for Sony to pursue that strategy.
 
Who cares? I have both consoles. They are just playthings,Yeah I'd like one to be better than the other , purely on terms of technical merit but that ain't going to happen. MS have more money than Sony, Sony have more finesse and a lot less money. It's going to be a fight in one direction always. Do you like games or do you like being measured all the time?

Is it about fun or the score?
 
You think most of the 5-8 million FF fans bought consoles at a $400 price point in the past? Or that they all bought a PS3 already? That's half the PS3 userbase!

If they are that hardcore of Final Fantasy fans, wont they STILL buy the PS3 for Versus - which is still an exclusive?

Not to mention that of the 5-8 million you mention, 3-4 are in Japan where Final Fantasy XIII will be a Playstation exclusive. It is only being ported in the US and EU markets...

Once again, I think this is being a little overly melodramatic. The FF fans that have not bought any console yet will probably still buy a PS3. They get the console that the game was designed on, plus the sequel that is an exclusive. The FF fans that have purchased an XBox or PS3 already will stick with the console they have.

I'm not saying that it isn't big news. Personally as a fan of the series, I think it is great news. Being non-exclusive tends to lead to bigger budgets because there is a larger install base to sell too. So in the end I think it will be good for the game. I just don't see it as being the killing blow to a console that everyone thinks it is. Sony still has an incredibly strong lineup of games, and their machine has several added benefits as games get bigger and more intricate (like a user upgradeable hard drive and a bigger optical drive). Microsoft was out first and was able to establish a solid install base. I think both companies are probably happy with where they are at, which is why I believe Sony let this happen. They have certainly demonstrated their willingness to win a war at all costs with Blu Ray. I just think that they have different goals in mind at this time.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it's been confirmed the game will be out on 360 day-and-date with the PS3 version in US + EU - so no timed exclusivity. Woo!
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it's been confirmed the game will be out on 360 day-and-date with the PS3 version in US + EU - so no timed exclusivity. Woo!

Localization+360 Development doesn't start until JP version is completed.

That's approxmately half a year I suppose?
 
Localization+360 Development doesn't start until JP version is completed.

That's approxmately half a year I suppose?
Yep - FF games always take ages to get translated. I remember looking at FF7 pics for over a year before I got to play the PAL version. So it's default PS3 exclusive in Japan, but if you want a non-Japanese version you get it at the same time on each platform.
 
But their line up will allways look worse than it did yesterday because ff 13 is no longer exclusive.

Sony's doesn't look any worse, it's just MS' looks better.

Fact is I think in real terms Resistance 2 vs Gears of War 2 will be a much more tangible battleground in the immediate term than the vagaries revolving around FFXIII, which in all likelihood is seeing a 2010 US release.

And in that context - Gears and Resistance only serve as allusions mind you rather than the whole shebang - truthfully I think both consoles will offer plenty in their respective terms in the way of a value proposition.
 
Localization+360 Development doesn't start until JP version is completed.

That's approxmately half a year I suppose?

we really don't know what will happen with this . I bet in Europe and the NA markets it will release with the ps3 verison.

Square will have alot of knowledge with working on the 360 and the art and textures will be done already . I'm sure it wont take a crazy long time
 
Yeah a simultaneous PS3/360 release in the West is confirmed, but Strange's prediction of a six month lag after the Japanese version IMO still stands. He's not talking about a lag for the 360 version vs the PS3 version, he's talking about a lag for translation/localization, during which time the relatively easy job of 360 code porting will take place as well.
 
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