The Big Forza 2 Thread *

Arwin said:
Actually I think Forza 2 could do well for the 360 in Japan. I'm fairly sure we'll see a boost from it.

The Nurburgring video looks good. Bear in mind that this video is 16:9 originally, as you can see by looking at the cars, so it's a little wider than in this youtube video. But I know the Nurburgring by heart from GT4 as well as from the real thing (both driving there and watching plenty of videos) and it looks pretty much spot on. Maybe one or two places where the corner isn't as blind as I'm used to, stuff like that - very minor differences that depend as much on the position of the camera in front of the car as anything else. So thanks, Turn 10, for fixing the Ring in Forza 2 ... :) It's an awesome track to drive, easily my favorite in GT4.
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I didn't realize that at first. Not knowing the real thing (hope I do in the future) it'd take me several views to figure that out. The car looked somewhat stretched but when the countdown finished things began to take shape and looked fine for me (most possibly because of the ingame camera).

Going off at a tangent, since you already have Forza 1.., take a look at this video.

It features Team Blackjack drifting on the majestic Fujimi Kaido (which I miss in Forza 2, along with Blue Mountains).

They are Mount Olympus gods at video editing and hold in high esteem within Forza's community. Link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOSd8DVp5-I&

That wonderful song is Mighty Wings by Cheap Trick.

Another TBJ video. They're awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amu3TcVwJk8

Good afternoon.
 
Cyan said:
NO sensible human being would've rate FM2's graphics with a 7. That is the fundamental level on which I disagree. The graphics are ok, all things considered.
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I don't agree or disagree with IGN's score on the visuals, but I have to comment on this post of yours. To me, a 7/10 means 'it's okay', which seems to be how you rate the graphics. 7 isn't bad! It's not an 'OMG these are the worst graphics ever in a racing game' score. It's a 'these graphics work. They don't set the world alight but they do the job well' score. So IMO, if Forza 2's graphics are 'OK' (a subjective concept I'm not gonna discuss!), they should be rated a 7, reserving the higher scores for better visuals.
 
Cyan said:
hah, the review go nowhere in the end, and it shows.



Why does he review a racing sim?
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What review are you talking about?

If its IGN, same editor didn't even know the difference between RWD and FWD handling in the previews and he's reviewing a simulation racer.

IGN said:
once your car is fast there isn’t any AI racer that can keep up with you even if you stink at driving. And I stink at driving
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Another stupid statement,i'm sorry but unless you make a fake rubber-band AI system ala Need for Speed, no AI system is going to keep up with stinky driver that has a played a racing game before in a Ferrari Enzo, when they are driving VW Golfs.

Another moronic statement:

IGN said:
The problem is that if you try racing with an inferior car, it's very difficult to win -- even if you are an impeccable driver
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In case you haven't realized, if you have an inferior car, your gonna be slower. Once your ahead of somebody in real life, making him stay behind you, is a much easier task than overtaking someone, especially if you got the faster car. If i go to nurburgring with my car, and Schumacher does a lap vs me in a Lupo, im going to win.
 
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Shifty Geezer said:
I don't agree or disagree with IGN's score on the visuals, but I have to comment on this post of yours. To me, a 7/10 means 'it's okay', which seems to be how you rate the graphics. 7 isn't bad! It's not an 'OMG these are the worst graphics ever in a racing game' score. It's a 'these graphics work. They don't set the world alight but they do the job well' score. So IMO, if Forza 2's graphics are 'OK' (a subjective concept I'm not gonna discuss!), they should be rated a 7, reserving the higher scores for better visuals.
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Thing is, at what point did 720P w/ 4xAA, HDR @ 60FPS become 'ok'? You can count the # of games on one hand that have reached that mark.

I dunno, I think the GFX are gorgeous enough to easily nab an 8 or 9.

I just picked the game up at lunch, GFX are improved over the demo but nothing drastic, the jaggies seem to be gone though, and the shimmer along the back of the cars is no more.

Here's a couple screens from photo mode, other than the depth of field, this is what the game looks like:
http://i8.tinypic.com/4udlvli.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/6hfxfl2.jpg
http://www.m2imageworks.com/mw/forza2/aprevo8_1.jpg
 
Some more screenies:
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365.jpg
 
scooby_dooby said:
Thing is, at what point did 720P w/ 4xAA, HDR @ 60FPS become 'ok'? You can count the # of games on one hand that have reached that mark.

I dunno, I think the GFX are gorgeous enough to easily nab an 8 or 9.

I just picked the game up at lunch, GFX are improved over the demo but nothing drastic, the jaggies seem to be gone though, and the shimmer along the back of the cars is no more.

Here's a couple screens from photo mode, other than the depth of field, this is what the game looks like:
http://i8.tinypic.com/4udlvli.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/6hfxfl2.jpg
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yeah scooby, IGN's reviewer was whacked out when he wrote that. Graphics look between good and great to me. This does not get a "C" for graphics, no way.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
I don't agree or disagree with IGN's score on the visuals, but I have to comment on this post of yours. To me, a 7/10 means 'it's okay', which seems to be how you rate the graphics. 7 isn't bad! It's not an 'OMG these are the worst graphics ever in a racing game' score. It's a 'these graphics work. They don't set the world alight but they do the job well' score. So IMO, if Forza 2's graphics are 'OK' (a subjective concept I'm not gonna discuss!), they should be rated a 7, reserving the higher scores for better visuals.
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I am not sure. 7 is fine but we are used to higher *standards*, specially of AAA games. Those scores are still good scores but people always look for the wow factor in NG games and overlook the real merits and need.

I've played the demo time enough to realize that this is an awesome game with such minor flaws, that it is literally flawless in some aspects.

Thing is, the Lego line (among others); "At times, it appears this is Lego FM2", makes him look foolish.

Forza 2 is a young franchise and there is room for improvement, so Turn 10 fans -me included- are giving feedback to improve the game, but we don't restrict ourselves to the surface like the reviewer did.

Btw, here is my list of suggestions and improvements:

- Up to 16 or more cars on screen (adds a lot to the competition and adrenaline)
- Safety car
- Car's list is fine (some additions would be nice -Dodge Viper RT/10 please-), but having more than, let's say, 400 cars is a feature that has the potential to significantly impact the realism of the game (in a bad way).
- Night, twilight and nightfall races. I'd like to see those sexy front and rear lights turned on.
- Sudschleife would be wonderful IF possible, specially with those narrow and shady sections, fully surrounded by vegetation.
- T10, please keep the 60 fps. In the analog world we live things happen smoothly (i.e. Dirt is an example of a bad driving "simulator" since -compared with real life driving- it feels like you are blinking all the time while you drive).
- Different weather conditions and new physics in agreement with that. They already have a great base of knowledge and it shows.

Good evening, Shifty.
 
Ostepop said:
What review are you talking about?

If its IGN, same editor didn't even know the difference between RWD and FWD handling in the previews and he's reviewing a simulation racer.



Another stupid statement,i'm sorry but unless you make a fake rubber-band AI system ala Need for Speed, no AI system is going to keep up with stinky driver that has a played a racing game before in a Ferrari Enzo, when they are driving VW Golfs.

Another moronic statement:



In case you haven't realized, if you have an inferior car, your gonna be slower. Once your ahead of somebody in real life, making him stay behind you, is a much easier task than overtaking someone, especially if you got the faster car. If i go to nurburgring with my car, and Schumacher does a lap vs me in a Lupo, im going to win.
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lol, yeah, it's definitely IGN. This guy has the writing skills, but that's it. He doesn't qualify.

Physics are the Holy Grail to sim racers. T10 took decisions and there has to be compromises to achieve this, and I am happy they did.

scooby, thx for sharing. I'd also add the AF -only on road- as one of the key graphical features.

Good evening.
 
gotta love it :smile:


Well, I opened up the game, chose Asia as my region, and was teary-eyed at what ensued.

About 6 years ago I was a huge JDM car enthusiast. I still lived at home, and every penny I made went into upgrading my Nissan 240sx (which I converted into a Sylvia). This wasn't your usual rice burner either, it was HIN Hottest Nissan on the East Coast one year. I had to sell it after blowing the motor and not having enough money to swap out another motor. To my delight, the S14 is one of the first cars you can buy (I think Forza 1 was the same). That's not it though, EVERY SINGLE physical upgrade I had on the real car is in the game. The orange paint which shined gold in the sun, the Advan Model 5 19" rims, the full Bomex body kit, even the carbon fiber hood. I love this game, cause even though I won't ever have my Sylvia again, I will be able to drive it from my couch (with the addition of a Skyline motor swap of course).
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Ben-Nice said:
Graphics a 7 from IGN and a 9 from Gamespot doesn't really make sense. It reminds me of when Resistance got a 2.5 for graphics from Gamepro.
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sure it does if you read their comments. In my opinion they didnt think a whole lot of the game play and rather give it a 6-7 in Game play and get spammed with people saying how ignorant/out of touch they are they took points out of another area.

Shifty Geezer said:
I don't agree or disagree with IGN's score on the visuals, but I have to comment on this post of yours. To me, a 7/10 means 'it's okay', which seems to be how you rate the graphics. 7 isn't bad! It's not an 'OMG these are the worst graphics ever in a racing game' score. It's a 'these graphics work. They don't set the world alight but they do the job well' score. So IMO, if Forza 2's graphics are 'OK' (a subjective concept I'm not gonna discuss!), they should be rated a 7, reserving the higher scores for better visuals.
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Doesnt make changing the grading curve for any one specific title right. There is no set grading system other then what you previous used for other similar games basically right? They gave PGR3 a 9.0 in graphics (specifically saying the cars are "gorgeous") and Forza 2 gets a 7. Explain that to me.
 
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scooby_dooby said:
Thing is, at what point did 720P w/ 4xAA, HDR @ 60FPS become 'ok'? You can count the # of games on one hand that have reached that mark.

I dunno, I think the GFX are gorgeous enough to easily nab an 8 or 9.

I just picked the game up at lunch, GFX are improved over the demo but nothing drastic, the jaggies seem to be gone though, and the shimmer along the back of the cars is no more.
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I don't think the graphics changed (2xx AA), it had to go gold a few weeks ago when the demo came out. Here is a discussion on the subject.

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/permalink/109847/172802/ShowThread.aspx#172802

That being said the graphics were never bad, an 8/10 for sure, but you have to leave some head room for games that live on eye candy exclusively, this is a sim after all.
 
Forza Motorsport 2 - Worldwide Review Collection So Far

OXM Italy (XMU): 9.3 [pic]
Eurogamer.de (German Edition): 9/10 [link]
Weekly Famitsu: 9/9/9/9 = 36/40 [pic]
XboxDynasty.de: 9.5 [link]
360-gamer : 9/10 [link]
TeamXbox: 9.3 [link]
OXM Germany: 90%
Looki.de: 91% [link]
Gamezone.de: 9,3 [link]
Famitsu 360: 9/8/9/8 = 34/40
Xbox-Newz.de: 91% [link]
GameSpot: 9.2 [link]
IGN: 8.9 [link]
1UP.com: 8.5 [link]
Yahoo! Games: 4.5/5 [link]
Playscope: 8/10 [link]
Spieletester: 90% [link]
XboxFront: 92% [link]
360-live magazine: 8,8/10
GameMedia.de: 9/10 [link]
OXM Brazil: 9,5 [pic]
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and holy crap at this paint job :oops:
 
Todd33 said:
I don't think the graphics changed (2xx AA), it had to go gold a few weeks ago when the demo came out. Here is a discussion on the subject.

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/permalink/109847/172802/ShowThread.aspx#172802

That being said the graphics were never bad, an 8/10 for sure, but you have to leave some head room for games that live on eye candy exclusively, this is a sim after all.
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the moment you put the game in it prompts you to download an update that reduces the jaggies from the demo considerably
 
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