I don't see how the current state is a "minor" upgrade. The textures are a LOT crisper, less aliasing, and more on screen items (grass where there used to be dirt, textured track, more (and better detailed) people). Plus it looks like the Forza 1 screens are screen grabs where as the Forza 2 pictues are taken by a digital camera pointing at a lcd. I'd like for you to give an example of a game that you think is not a "non-minor" upgrade. I have a feeling you're being unrealistic for certain games and more forgiving for others.
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I don't see how the current state is a "minor" upgrade. The textures are a LOT crisper, less aliasing, and more on screen items (grass where there used to be dirt, textured track, more (and better detailed) people). Plus it looks like the Forza 1 screens are screen grabs where as the Forza 2 pictues are taken by a digital camera pointing at a lcd. I'd like for you to give an example of a game that you think is not a "non-minor" upgrade. I have a feeling you're being unrealistic for certain games and more forgiving for others.
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hey inane. I think you are smarter than that
I posted forza 1 pics only to dismiss such comments of a person that seems clearly to be a forza hater
I've spend some much time in forza1, that I guess this makes me an expert on that game.
AND I also have a very keen eye on details for this one.
I mean, no matter what haters say, this is clearly a generation gap:
and there's no chance in hell someone can sweet talk his a$$ out of admiting it.
about 60 fps and stuff, I cant believe how you are so sceptic about it.
you think this is a marketing trick that wont deliver?
come on man, you know it aint gonna be like this.
you think maybe turn 10 should have been <<smarter>> and provide JUST a car model on an empty space @60 fps from day 1?
you'd like that? well I wouldnt!
I like seeing FORESTS that are there without them needeing to be
I like seeing next gen smoke and dirt effects implemented on the game from the first time I see it
I like the way this game is coming up, I like all the race features that it has, I like the graphics features that it has,
and I have not got the slightest worry that it will be 60fps constant when ready.
I am even willing to bet on it!!!
so there's your chance for some quick money, haters and sceptics!!
I can even see already a ton of unusefull eye candy for a sim racer that could be simplified, IF what some people here imply (mind you I REALLY doubt that) will be the truth, i.e. forza team will not live up to 60fps promised (you can always wish though)
but the fact is, that everytime I see forza2, I think they are delivering. there is simply nothing that compares to what I see on forza2 on another sim racer.
now to answer some of Acert q's.
so you think that we are presented with mockup screens every time? you think the 3d grass and stuff is fake?
do you have an understanding of developing process?
if yes, then I think that you will find this very easy to comprehend:
Turn 10 has finished all the graphics effects they where aiming for. that was announced some time ago.
what they have to do, is make them ALL work together in one compile, work out the bugs that one effect might put on another, and still uphold the targeted 60fps thing.
thats why you get some pictures with 3d grass, some others without HDR, etc.
I think that its undestandable and not a reason to think they're fooling you.
I even think that the game is in the very last phase and maybe wont take long until its released. (sooner than most of you think)
thats why you see leaps in graphics in every leaked photo.
and about damage, bumpers and stuff will fall off the car,
no wheels though. they tried it but the motor companiesdid not like the idea very much (hehe)
also I think that like the last one, ferraris will take the less damage than all other cars. this has something to do with the italian company.
but I can already see good-enough damage for that ferrari on these pics. but I guess no falling bumpers again on them.
its ok though, because I already have seen Lamborghinis and BMWs without bumpers. so I am cool with that.
and you should be, too
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handbrake2
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When this:
http://www.forzacentral.com/gallery/files/4/8/sim-forza2-0026_836931.jpg
Looks like this:
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/corvettec6r05_09.jpg
I will believe that this game has lived up to the hype, but those shots are nowhere close to one another.
http://www.forzacentral.com/gallery/files/4/8/sim-forza2-0026_836931.jpg
Looks like this:
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/corvettec6r05_09.jpg
I will believe that this game has lived up to the hype, but those shots are nowhere close to one another.
No I am not unrealistic or more forgiving for others. I didnt praise GT HD: Premium either. If I am satisfied with what I see currently in these pics that means I ll be just as satisfied with the looks of GT HD. And I am not.
The difference depicted in these screens is as big as the difference between a PS2 and an XBOX game, which usually was shown in crispier textures, more polygons and normal maps
And I already answered the part in bold in my post you quoted.
I've spend some much time in forza1, that I guess this makes me an expert on that game.
AND I also have a very keen eye on details for this one.
I mean, no matter what haters say, this is clearly a generation gap:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6788/x062gk2.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/32/not289010656vz9.jpg
and there's no chance in hell someone can sweet talk his a$$ out of admiting it.
You may be satisfied with the result by I am not.
If you are refering to me I didnt mention anything about fps, and neither have I epxressed anything about "marketing tricks". I dont even know what it is said and what is not from MS about it.
I like seeing FORESTS that are there without them needeing to be
I like seeing next gen smoke and dirt effects implemented on the game from the first time I see it
I like the way this game is coming up, I like all the race features that it has, I like the graphics features that it has,
and I have not got the slightest worry that it will be 60fps constant when ready.
I am even willing to bet on it!!!
so there's your chance for some quick money, haters and sceptics!!
I can even see already a ton of unusefull eye candy for a sim racer that could be simplified, IF what some people here imply (mind you I REALLY doubt that) will be the truth, i.e. forza team will not live up to 60fps promised (you can always wish though)
but the fact is, that everytime I see forza2, I think they are delivering. there is simply nothing that compares to what I see on forza2 on another sim racer.
now to answer some of Acert q's.
so you think that we are presented with mockup screens every time? you think the 3d grass and stuff is fake?
do you have an understanding of developing process?
if yes, then I think that you will find this very easy to comprehend:
Turn 10 has finished all the graphics effects they where aiming for. that was announced some time ago.
what they have to do, is make them ALL work together in one compile, work out the bugs that one effect might put on another, and still uphold the targeted 60fps thing.
thats why you get some pictures with 3d grass, some others without HDR, etc.
I think that its undestandable and not a reason to think they're fooling you.
I even think that the game is in the very last phase and maybe wont take long until its released. (sooner than most of you think)
thats why you see leaps in graphics in every leaked photo.
and about damage, bumpers and stuff will fall off the car,
no wheels though. they tried it but the motor companiesdid not like the idea very much (hehe)
also I think that like the last one, ferraris will take the less damage than all other cars. this has something to do with the italian company.
but I can already see good-enough damage for that ferrari on these pics. but I guess no falling bumpers again on them.
its ok though, because I already have seen Lamborghinis and BMWs without bumpers. so I am cool with that.
and you should be, too
That was too much bubbling
Dont be so angry just because not everyone has the swetest things to say about your favourite racing game. It has nothing to do with being sceptic or a hater.
If ytou are so confident well kudos for you. Personally I demand more. And the same counts for GT5. If thats what I ll get from the next GT5 as well then I ll be pissed.
Yeah right,... invite me to one of your parties one day...good stuff there, I suppose...
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yeah, so lets see you put some real critique to GTHD. then we'll talk again.
you know the second one is a real pic someone posted on the first page right, it was never claimed to be from the game
Oh now I get it. You are one of these people that want Forza to be praised over GT. So if I have to say something about Forza I must say something bad about GT before that
Ok. GT: HD is nothing but GT in high resolution and more polygons on cars. Is it ok now?
Can I move along telling my opinion on Forza2 now that I have your permission?
Well, to be fair to him, apparently all it took was for you to see the interior of a Ferrari in GT:HD and you were having an orgasm. (Your words)
Yeah I like ferraris. But: I am not satisfied with the game's(GT:HD) overall looks so far....(Also my words)
You forgot that part
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Could you please stop the back-and-forth bickering? It's tiresome.
As a non-racing gamer (except Wipeout) these pics look much like I'd expect from any next-gen console at this point in time. I also expect GT5 to be more impressive once it comes out - anyone with half a brain can conclude that from budgets, dev team sizes and development time. No need to even get into the fact that they're on different consoles.
As a non-racing gamer (except Wipeout
) these pics look much like I'd expect from any next-gen console at this point in time. I also expect GT5 to be more impressive once it comes out - anyone with half a brain can conclude that from budgets, dev team sizes and development time. No need to even get into the fact that they're on different consoles.-=P3tRaN=-
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It does seem that different demo units were maybe running with different featuresets enabled. For example, this shot looks very good and is a view you would expect in game. In context, even off screen with glare and washed out, the shot doesn't seem quite as flat as others (decent lighting and shadowing) and the overall detail of all the art assets is pretty solid.
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The reflections on the car are wonderful
. The environnment needs polishing on the other hand...-=P3tRaN=-
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environment is close already
Did I say they are equal?
Point is I am not that easily satisfied and no I dont think the visualcurrent state of Forza2 exploits well 360's abilities. If you have a problem with me because I believe it can do better and that the sequel of the racing game on which you are blindly and fanatically attached to doesnt look good enough is your problem. I am not the only one who believes that anyways.
I prefer PGR3 looks over this
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GT:HD's car modelling and lighting totally blow this out of the water. The reflectivity on the cars here is completely and utterly wrong; it's not just 'a bit iffy' or 'needing work', it just doesn't look realistic in the slightest.
They have a got a lot of time left, yes, but considering GT4 looked as good, if not better, than the original Forza despite running on such a comparatively weak platform, I shouldn't think there'll be much of a contest between GT5 and Forza 2.
They have a got a lot of time left, yes, but considering GT4 looked as good, if not better, than the original Forza despite running on such a comparatively weak platform, I shouldn't think there'll be much of a contest between GT5 and Forza 2.
