The AMD Execution Thread [2007 - 2017]

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That 990X is an extreme example - as the name already implies - being useless* for anything than capturing the crown in benchmark reviews. When AMD was on top in the A64 era, their FX-line of unlocked highest-end CPUs sold for a fortune as well.

Most other desktop processors are much more in line with the actual performance you can expect to extract from them. It'd be interesting though to see the real CPU prices for server/HPC SKUs, not the ones listed.

*useless in the sense of comparing the companies' financial performance.
 
That 990X is an extreme example - as the name already implies - being useless* for anything than capturing the crown in benchmark reviews. When AMD was on top in the A64 era, their FX-line of unlocked highest-end CPUs sold for a fortune as well.

Most other desktop processors are much more in line with the actual performance you can expect to extract from them. It'd be interesting though to see the real CPU prices for server/HPC SKUs, not the ones listed.

*useless in the sense of comparing the companies' financial performance.

Sure, but the point still stands: AMD has no desktop CPU above $190, while Intel has plenty—and they're probably cheaper to make.
 
To be honest the execution was not well. The GPU segment was in red numbers and the revenue itsself for AMD as a whole is still in the same area as in 2007. In other words - the company did not really grow while others and the market as a whole did.

Well, except it isn't even quite that clear cut. Would the GPU division have done a bit better in the OEM space without APU's clearly eating away most of the budget GPU OEM market share?

I haven't looked at the report, but it seems to indicate that some of the revenue that previously was GPU only has moved into the CPU division via APUs.

Meanwhile CPU sales continue to erode in the face of competition from Intel. APU's however were able to stem the loss and possibly even increased overall CPU share.

What it does show is that in the face of changing market conditions, AMD isn't immediately floundering and compounding losses. They've managed to stay nimble enough to post an operating profit. And that's a good sign overall.

Regards,
SB
 
Well AMD saved their ass..ets buying ATI that is sure. I wish AMD would come out with a decent processor at least in bulldozer. They need some that are at least part way competitive.
 
What do our resident AMDers think of Reid's appointment? Any initial impressions of the guy?
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...0922?feedType=RSS&feedName=companyNews&rpc=43

Sounds like he was forced out. My hunch is that while AMD is trying to enter the mobile market within the constraints of process and engineering, the new pressure to enter mobile is leading to departures of established folks. I do not think that the people who were fired do not understand
the need to get into mobile. Which is why the renewed "mowbile" scream seems to be doing more harm than good to me.
 
One comment I thought might be plausible was that he wanted the CEO post.
That could lead to him going, possibly to a place that he could move upwards more quickly.
 
AMD buys ATI for its graphics expertise.
AMD CPU successes limited.
AMD doing badly against its main CPU rival.
Old ATI staff slowly exit - pushed or voluntarily.

Take over complete.
 
It was the CPU-centric AMD that bought the GPU-centric ATI.
The CEO's in the early AMD post the purchase of ATI were ATI staff (Dave Orton, Dirk Meyer). Rick Bergman is also from the old ATI.
Dirk Meyer's departure is shrouded in mystery. Rick Bergman left or pushed? Depends on who you ask.
That is all.
 
It was the CPU-centric AMD that bought the GPU-centric ATI.
The CEO's in the early AMD post the purchase of ATI were ATI staff (Dave Orton, Dirk Meyer). Rick Bergman is also from the old ATI.
Dirk Meyer's departure is shrouded in mystery. Rick Bergman left or pushed? Depends on who you ask.
That is all.
Dirk Meyer never worked at ATI and Dave Orton left 1 year after the purchase. He was probably planning that all along, but contractual obligations kept him at AMD for a year. Also, Orton was head of the GPU business only during his year at AMD.

If there's an announcement in the next couple weeks of Bergman being named CEO somewhere it will shut the door on the pushed theory, but we'll have to wait and see.

Since the acquisition/merger more ex-AMD execs have left than ex-ATI execs.
 
Dirk Meyer never worked at ATI and Dave Orton left 1 year after the purchase. He was probably planning that all along, but contractual obligations kept him at AMD for a year. Also, Orton was head of the GPU business only during his year at AMD.

If there's an announcement in the next couple weeks of Bergman being named CEO somewhere it will shut the door on the pushed theory, but we'll have to wait and see.

Since the acquisition/merger more ex-AMD execs have left than ex-ATI execs.

Y'know I always thought Dirk was an ATI guy.. thanks for the correction!
 
After reading that post from the former AMD engineer who said that AMD is now building CPUs with automated circuit design tools instead of full on custom work I'm really curious how Bulldozer will turn out. And seeing all the veterans jumping ship is probably a bad sign. I'm sure there is a ton of internal controversy over there. The leadership overhauls have undoubtedly cost something too. How do you keep teams focused while the suits play power games?
 
The problem is that Fusion is pretty much a busted flush in a desktop scenario since Bulldozer looks like it isn't going to be causing SB too many problems. Fusion has done well in the notebook sector by dominating Atom based netbooks and being cheaper than the cheapest i3 notebooks. The problem is that they have no coherent tablet/phone strategy.

Nvidia for all of their issues in the GPU sector have realised that the traditional GPU is dead and have already started to make the transition to HPC with their GPUs. In the mobile sector they have got the Tegra platform which is extremely competitive in Android tablets and phones right now, and Tegra 3 has begun to roll out with rumours that we could see the first quad core tablet in Q1 2012 from Asus. The brand power that Nvidia have given Tegra is beyond any other mobile SoC in those terms and just like people look for the Intel Inside sticker on notebooks/desktops they will begin to ask whether a tablet has Tegra or not.

Back to AMD - without a tablet/phone strategy they are dead in the water as Intel dominate the x86 sector and Nvidia have better brand power in the discrete GPU sector despite their relative weakness of late. The only bright spot has been mobility. They must expand into tablets/phones or face the bankruptcy of the company. This is the next frontier of computing and the notebook market will go in reverse as regular consumers who go on facebook, YouTube and Gmail while watching TV move to tablets. That move will cause their one bright spot in computing (Brazos) go into terminal decline with nothing to replace that revenue.

All in all, AMD have been concentrating so hard on catching Intel in x86 and Nvidia in discrete GPUs that they have missed the next big sector of computing. Nvidia have let their GPU dominance lapse, sure, but Tegra gives them a real business model going forwards, one which AMD doesn't have right now. Management have a choice between burying their heads in the sand or getting a real mobile strategy going. I personally think it is too late, and in my experience (investment analyst specialising in tech companies) a company that enters a mature sector so very late will find it difficult, especially if they have a handicap like x86 in an industry dominated by ARM.

The course for AMD is to acquire an ARM licence in short order and put out a Tegra competitor using their knowledge gained from Fusion, and they need to get a product using it out onto the market before the end of 2012, some kind of tablet, even if it means paying Acer or Asus to do so. If they make these moves their company will survive in the longer term as the tablet market grows and it will give them more time to address their x86 processor woes against Intel.

Sorry about the longish post, but this is the view about AMD from my industry of banking and finance and many people are very worried about their future and are looking to pull the plug if they can't come up with a business model that taps into the fast growing smartphone and tablet market.
 
After reading that post from the former AMD engineer who said that AMD is now building CPUs with automated circuit design tools instead of full on custom work I'm really curious how Bulldozer will turn out. And seeing all the veterans jumping ship is probably a bad sign. I'm sure there is a ton of internal controversy over there. The leadership overhauls have undoubtedly cost something too. How do you keep teams focused while the suits play power games?

BD is garbage. At this point, I do not expect AMD to put out anything except garbage CPU's, unless the management comes to it's senses and realizes that in x86 land, custom rules.
 
The brand power that Nvidia have given Tegra is beyond any other mobile SoC.

Err no it's not. To disregard nV as a rather serious potential consumer in that marketplace is nonsense, but to think them as some kind of entrenched or even desirable option there is folly. NV has a pretty long trek ahead of it, before it can claim to compete with the heavy hitters there, irrespective of what Jen Hsun tells you about only them and Qualcomm existing.

Also, if the GPU is dead NV is pretty damn doomed at this point because Tegra+Tesla put together don't bring as much as consumer does for them, and Tegra sure as hell can't serve as a petri-dish for Tesla, so as to make that look nicer by taking part of the R&D burden. Luckily for NV, the GPU is pretty fine currently, and will continue to be fine for quite a while, even if the POS bottom gets phagocited by CPU+IGP matchings. Consumer is pretty damn important, let's not pick up internet memes about it's death too soon (not happenig soon, BTW).
 
BD is garbage. At this point, I do not expect AMD to put out anything except garbage CPU's, unless the management comes to it's senses and realizes that in x86 land, custom rules.
I wonder whether that's true going forward with Restrictive Design Rules and especially 1D grid layouts. I'm not competent enough to judge but I'd certainly expect the advantage to go down quite a bit. I feel like a fool for never asking Icera about their design methodology on 28nm... Then again ironically GF's 28nm process has more flexible design rules than TSMC's. I'd be curious to know how much custom Intel is using nowadays versus 10 years ago.
Err no it's not. To disregard nV as a rather serious potential consumer in that marketplace is nonsense, but to think them as some kind of entrenched or even desirable option there is folly. NV has a pretty long trek ahead of it, before it can claim to compete with the heavy hitters there, irrespective of what Jen Hsun tells you about only them and Qualcomm existing.
Yeah, that statement about only having to compete with Qualcomm for design wins is nonsense, and you won't hear that kind of thing if you talk to anyone in the Tegra group.

However I'm not sure how NV has "a pretty long trek ahead of it, before it can claim to compete with the heavy hitters". They're clearly competitive with TI/ST-E/Samsung already - Qualcomm is in a league of its own but that's nothing new. And they're clearly ahead on both the design capabilities and design wins front versus Freescale or Marvell. I'd argue NVIDIA already had that 'long trek' - remember they bought MediaQ in August 2003!

People often forget that they spent more than $600M between that time and when they got any real revenue with Tegra 2 (GoForce 3000/4000 were fairly successful too but unlikely to be more than break-even). That certainly doesn't mean NVIDIA will be successful but it's important to put things in perspective - especially when the reason why Dirk was fired supposedly had to do with mobile. The Imageon business was clearly mismanaged but they also didn't invest enough in it so they had little chance anyway, and re-entering now isn't very realistic. I can see AMD being very competitive for Windows 8 tablets though.
 
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