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[Deleted member 11852]

Those miners could be gamers, too, dual purpose. We have no idea how many of those gpus will be used for gaming or not, in special now the mining craze is slowing down.

If you don't know if components will definitely be used for gaming, don't assume that and present those numbers as related to gaming.

How about everybody just stick to facts.

 

[PSman1700]

If you don't know if components will definitely be used for gaming, don't assume that and present those numbers as related to gaming.

How about everybody just stick to facts.

Stick to facts? Amount of gaming GPU's sold. I havent seen any hard facts where i see numbers how many of those arent in use for gaming.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Stick to facts? Amount of gaming GPU's sold. I havent seen any hard facts where i see numbers how many of those arent in use for gaming.

Nvidia's move to implement firmware blocking gaming GPUs for being used for crypto-mining should be fact enough.

 

[PSman1700]

Nvidia's move to implement firmware blocking gaming GPUs for being used for crypto-mining should be fact enough.

Still no numbers.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Still no numbers.

Indeed. But had these been insignificant numbers, Nvidia would not have bothered. Bear in mind that Nvidia targeted 306 Ti , 3070 and 3080 GPUs only. The low-end GPUs - the affordable ones (incl. the 3060) that are more accessible - were unaffected.

 

[PSman1700]

Indeed. But had these been insignificant numbers, Nvidia would not have bothered. Bear in mind that Nvidia targeted 306 Ti , 3070 and 3080 GPUs only. The low-end GPUs - the affordable ones (incl. the 3060) that are more accessible - were unaffected.

Its not all that different from scalpers taking PS5's hostage. At the end, these GPUs used primary for mining will land in gamers hands anyways. Theres a ultra huge demand for these things by both gamers and miners/scalpers, its more production that will be or is the problem.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Its not all that different from scalpers taking PS5's hostage. At the end, these GPUs used primary for mining will land in gamers hands anyways.

But as the Steam hardware survey shows, they aren't now which disproves the point you were trying to make. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[PSman1700]

But as the Steam hardware survey shows, they aren't now which disproves the point you were trying to make. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not all PC gamers use Steam. We cant use Steam to gauge how many % of the sold RTX gpus are being used for.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Not all PC gamers use Steam. We cant use Steam to gauge how many % of the sold RTX gpus are being used for.

Not all, but the vast majority. Unless you have some data from a reputable source that shows that a statistical significant number of PC gamers are not using Steam?

 

[BRiT]

My main PC gaming rig still has not seen a Steam Survey. It's been over 18 years since it has. But the lack of accuracy of Steam Surveys is for another topic.

 

[Deleted member 2197]

Not all, but the vast majority. Unless you have some data from a reputable source that shows that a statistical significant number of PC gamers are not using Steam?

I think Steam survey is a small percentage of the 1.5 billion PC gamers worldwide.

 

[chris1515]

I think Steam survey is a small percentage of the 1.5 billion PC gamers worldwide.

Because you think the bilion gamers in China have high end PC maybe the reason Valorant runs on Intel integrated GPU is they want to reach nearly all PC gamers.

Valorant PC System Requirements

• Hardware requirements: • Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit) • 4GB RAM. • 1GB VRAM.
• Minimum (30 fps): • CPU: Intel i3-370M. • GPU: Intel HD 3000.
• Recommended (60 fps): • CPU: Intel i3-4150. • GPU: GeForce GT 730.
• High-end (144+ fps) • CPU: Intel i5 4460 (3.2GHz) • GPU: GeForce GTX 1050 Ti.

And this is not the only big GAAS games with very low hardware requirement to be popular in China or other market where consumer spend less money on PC hardware.

Steam hardware is probably above the average gaming PC if we take all market after this is different in US and Western Europe but I would not be surprise 1060 or 1660 are the most common GPU in this country.

EDIT.
This is maybe the reason Avatar doesn't use box Series S as minimum requirement. It works on GPU without raytracing hardware acceleration like use in Stadia and PC without Turing, Ampere and RDNA 2 GPUs. Amazon Luna support raytracing hardware acceleration.

 

[PSman1700]

Just using the Steam survey as hard facts is a no-go. There are many reasons why that data isnt all that usefull to gauge RTX gpus used for gaming (or mining AND gaming).

Because you think the bilion gamers in China have high end PC maybe the reason Valorant runs on Intel integrated GPU is they want to reach nearly all PC gamers.


And this is not the only big GAAS games with very low hardware requirement to be popular in China or other market where consumer spend less money on PC hardware.

Steam hardware is probably above the average gaming PC if we take all market after this is different in US and Western Europe but I would not be surprise 1060 or 1660 are the most common GPU in this country.

EDIT.
This is maybe the reason Avatar doesn't use box Series S as minimum requirement. It works on GPU without raytracing hardware acceleration like use in Stadia and PC without Turing, Ampere and RDNA 2 GPUs. Amazon Luna support raytracing hardware acceleration.

Your assuming things. We safely assume that there are atleast as many PS5 level capable gaming pc's out there as there are PS5s in the hands of gamers.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

I think Steam survey is a small percentage of the 1.5 billion PC gamers worldwide.

If there are 1.5 billion PC gamers, why are PC games sales so low compared to consoles owner bases that would be < 0.1% of the size?

 

[PSman1700]

If there are 1.5 billion PC gamers, why are PC games sales so low compared to consoles owner bases that would be < 0.1% of the size?

Yes there are 1.5 billion pc gamers out there. Many more then there are Play Station gamers. Il side with the facts here.
Sales are hard to gauge due to digital sales from different stores etc.

 

[Deleted member 2197]

If there are 1.5 billion PC gamers, why are PC games sales so low compared to consoles owner bases that would be < 0.1% of the size?

Even with a console cycle, pc sales are spiking.

Jon Peddie, President of JPR says “COVID-19 has created a big spike in sales for PC gaming products in the near term. The total market is approaching $40 billion in 2020. However, we temper our forecasts for possible economic issues in 2021 and beyond. Forecasts are heavily dependent on consumer confidence. Nevertheless, we still predict growth over five years even in the face of a console cycle.

Store | Jon Peddie Research

 

[chris1515]

Just using the Steam survey as hard facts is a no-go. There are many reasons why that data isnt all that usefull to gauge RTX gpus used for gaming (or mining AND gaming).



Your assuming things. We safely assume that there are atleast as many PS5 level capable gaming pc's out there as there are PS5s in the hands of gamers.

I don't assume things Valorant is made by Riot Games and the studio owner is the chinese company Tencent. Out of South Korea, Asia the biggest market is dominated by China where they have mostly lower end PC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valorant

Riot chose to develop Valorant using Unreal Engine 4, which the development team said would allow it to focus on gameplay and optimizations rather than spending time on core systems.[27][28] To meet the goal of a lower performance barrier so more people could play Valorant, the team set notably low minimum and recommended hardware requirements for the game. To reach 30 frames per second on these small requirements, the game's engineering team, led by Marcus Reid, who previously worked on Gears of War 4, had to make several modifications to the engine. These modifications included editing the renderer using the engine's mobile rendering path as base, or reworking the game's lighting systems to fit the static lighting that tactical shooters often require, as to not interfere with gameplay.[27] Unreal's modern underpinnings also helped to solve many of the issues that Riot set out to solve from other games in the genre, and additional modifications helped to meet the game's other goal of creating a suitable competitive environment, including optimizing server performance by disabling character animations in non-combat situations and removing unnecessary evaluations in the hit registration process.[29][25][27] During development, Riot Games made promises to work towards a ping of less than 35 milliseconds for at least 70% of the game's players.[30] To accomplish this, Riot promised 128-tick servers in or near most major cities in the world, as well as working with internet service providers to set up dedicated connections to those servers.[30] Due to the increase in internet traffic during the COVID-19 pandemic, Riot has had trouble optimizing connections and ping to their promised levels.[31]

 

[zed]

The 1.5 billion PC gamers worldwide is obviously just made up BS
one just has to look at some of their other claims

Europe has 668 million paying game consumers of a european population of 747million = ~90% of europeans are paying gamers, yeah right

People actually pay these guys $3000 to come up with these heavily researched reports, that don't even pass the first smell test

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Even with a console cycle, pc sales are spiking.

Yay. The 1.5 billion PC gamer spent $25 each, but based on your numbers PC gamers don't buy a lot of games because if 1% of that 1.5bn bought one game, that game would sell 15m copies. PC games would consistently blow multi-platform console game sales out of the water.

 

[goonergaz]

If only we had financial statements which showed where most money is made and therefore where most games are played?

Maybe it’s too simplistic an idea….but some folk here can continue to think they are spouting ‘facts’…now where’s that ignore button again!?