That could be cut in half if you remove all the duplicate storage required to cut down on HDD latency. Right?
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That could be cut in half if you remove all the duplicate storage required to cut down on HDD latency. Right?
Faster than real world 7 GB/s for optimized games.
I mean 20GB RAM for games.
Compared to what? How do you know how fast the PS5 SSD will be? The theoretical speeds what PC can get is already faster, software needs to follow but i'm sure it will sometime. We can't be stuck forever on old storage solutions. No matter what, this new tech the consoles will have, will translate to other devices too, sooner or later.
When next gen is here we will see more of that.
Don't see anything in that video that would be impossible on a pc, but maybe cause it was a ultra low speed devkit. Somehow he wanted to show it anyway
Certainly hope so, as that demo didn't show anything 'next gen' at all.
Well, he will have to, there's no other way so far fighting the idea that PS exclusives might be somewhere else then PS boxes.
Yet again, this demo didn't show anything nextgen, i hope so atleast.
In dire times, it is the only thing being talked about really, aside from 9TF and 12TF. It is the least interesting generation so far, where storage is the most hyped thing.
No fighter jet in games from next gen, aside from on the PS5 then.
I know you're an insider or have friends that are so, but we would like to see some source for the specs you pump out everywhere.
Nothing stops manufacturers from coming with that again. A simple arm CPU desinged for the task would do it.
Wasn't there some gamedev from mighty Sony saying something like 'loading, what's that?'
Again interesting your in possession of PS5 specs, but it is no more then hot air as long were not seeing any sources.
And strange projects like SC then. What the topic was about, i see no reason there won't be any PS5 exclusives on PC down the road.
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Of course, though we need to know how much the duplicate assets occupy of the total game size, it might be only quarter or third or even half indeed.
I don't believe that's accurate, filesystems don't care about random access or sequential access, it's the drive underneath that determines that, PCs are used for sequential workloads all the time, they are the gold standard, editing 4K/8K videos and film making are among the prime examples of that.
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Was there? I don't remember this. Where is it?
Or, you know, we could read what Mark Cerny actually said to Wired. The following quote was in context of having to load into games to see how your friends are doing in them:
"Even though it will be fairly fast to boot games, we don't want the player to have to boot the game, see what's up"
Why make-up bullshit quotes when PS5's system architect has gone on the record?
Compared to what? How do you know how fast the PS5 SSD will be? The theoretical speeds what PC can get is already faster, software needs to follow but i'm sure it will sometime. We can't be stuck forever on old storage solutions. No matter what, this new tech the consoles will have, will translate to other devices too, sooner or later.
When next gen is here we will see more of that.
Don't see anything in that video that would be impossible on a pc, but maybe cause it was a ultra low speed devkit. Somehow he wanted to show it anyway
Certainly hope so, as that demo didn't show anything 'next gen' at all.
Well, he will have to, there's no other way so far fighting the idea that PS exclusives might be somewhere else then PS boxes.
Yet again, this demo didn't show anything nextgen, i hope so atleast.
In dire times, it is the only thing being talked about really, aside from 9TF and 12TF. It is the least interesting generation so far, where storage is the most hyped thing.
No fighter jet in games from next gen, aside from on the PS5 then.
I know you're an insider or have friends that are so, but we would like to see some source for the specs you pump out everywhere.
Nothing stops manufacturers from coming with that again. A simple arm CPU desinged for the task would do it.
Wasn't there some gamedev from mighty Sony saying something like 'loading, what's that?'
Again interesting your in possession of PS5 specs, but it is no more then hot air as long were not seeing any sources.
And strange projects like SC then. What the topic was about, i see no reason there won't be any PS5 exclusives on PC down the road.
You can wait I will not give it now. Wait probably a few minutes before event doubt it when I said it and after see.
Like Mike Ybarra said(ex director of Xbox first party and now at Activision-Blizzard):
An hint the speed is in this table. Not exactly but between 7GB/s and 20 GB/s.
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I don't remember it, im sure ive seen it though. Some twitter post or comment i think it was.
Intresting to say the least. How do you got PS5 specs?
Again, it was someone saying 'Load times, what's that?'
Another article on the matter
https://www.psu.com/news/ps5-wont-change-much-really-claims-eastshade-dev/
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Didn't say it was credible, i remember seeing it.
Completely agree.
I have not seen any solid numbers as to what percentage of a game install on current-gen consoles is duplicated data and what is not, nor anything definitive as to what sort of assets needed to be duplicated. Do we need to duplicate it all, or can we cut that number in half for next-gen?
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It's just that numbers and statements have been thrown around on all the forums that it's really hard to follow discussions. It really makes discussions a hassle because of such contradictory statements being used based on what's most convenient for the point that's being driven for whatever narrative.
What bugs me the most in discussions talking about gaming on Console or PC was recently seeing something along the lines of "don't need to pay for an OS, everyone already has one. PC is cheaper!" or "Well you need to throw in cost of OS, not everyone has Windows".
Which one is it? It can't be both at both times.
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Here you have a postmortem from Insomniac about all the streaming problems they had and some data about duplication. It was at GDC 2019. And Interestingly they were involved in the PS5 spiderman demo.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cngcqlvb8...marvels_spider-man_preliminaryexport.pdf?dl=0
The slide.
EDIT: We don't need duplication at all next gen. Advantage of SSD compared to HDD.
I have, but I can't remember the exact stats or if the stats are even from the perspective of "entire install size". I am not certain that entire CutScene Movies need to be duplicated in the install area. Or even the loading Logo Graphics that are typically used in general.
Am I the only one remembering that ps4 Hdd peaks around 40 MB/s? A modern drive can destroy that performance. Also on console you’ll have cpu and gpu contending for bandwidth. Having a blazing fast drive streaming into RAM will have practical limits. If anything it might make more sense to focus on compression, decompression and burst performance than worry about having fast sustained speeds for transferring large files.
Don't see anything in that video that would be impossible on a pc, but maybe cause it was a ultra low speed devkit. Somehow he wanted to show it anyway
Once again I will say it again because you seem not to want to respond to it but here goes anyways. My NVME drive barely performs faster than my old 860 Evo SATA SSD in game loading when it should be 5-6 times faster, why is that?
so to clarify, people need to prove to you where they get info before you believe it, but you’re happy to believe some quote that you can’t find and won’t say is credible...because it’s fits your argument?
You need to wait till games are optimised for that. There's one example, it is Star Citizen, if you want to see more out of your SSD. Even Optane has advantages in that game over standard Nvme drives. Future games will only improve.
Or wait for that monster sony exclusive down the road.
lol, what? It does fit the Sony people, no loading times actually means very high performance, or?
