lol there are really too many games out there to feel this way. Especially if you have both consoles! Please check out the Game Award nominations and winners if you're looking for something new.
Sony and Microsoft first party strategy
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I'm sure there are, just most are mixing 2nd party and 1st party titles and lumping them together. I think purely developed by MS your list is probably right. 2nd party, MS has quite a bit more.
1P strategy for MS is beginning to take in the form of less titles, longer shelf life. It's sort of the reason why I think list wars are kinda 'meh'. The most anticipated games every year are Sony exclusives. The most played games each year continue to be games that have been released years ago. Which is becoming evident to me that list wars is really catering to the audience who love to burn through a game and move to the next. I can see MP/on-going games as being no where high on their list. They only want the latest and greatest. This fits the narrative well for both Sony and MS, Sony is still very much running on a traditional console model. MS has been trying to move into another direction. During this change and likely afterwards, expect to see long runs of dry spells between titles, they want their titles to last significantly longer than 8-12 hours.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...n-exec-sometimes-we-announced-games-too-early
"I think we're learning and a lot of publishers are learning ... there is a right time to announce games," Denny explained.
"In the past, I think it's fair to say sometimes we announced games too early. And this is such a great project for Sucker Punch. It's a game they've always really wanted to make themselves. And I think it's the right time to announce that, and they've been working on that game for a long time now. There is great [playable version of the game] already. So we're just excited to let everybody know about it."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-12-the-big-interview-xbox-boss-phil-spencer
Phil Spencer: The focus I had on this show was games you're going to get to play in the next year. We're focusing on Xbox One S and Xbox One X and the games you're going to play. We showed Crackdown, which looks fantastic. It's going to be there at launch day for Xbox One X, which will be a great showcase for the box. Obviously Sea of Thieves. I thought State of Decay showed up really well. Some people played State of Decay 1, but a lot of people missed it. Now we're giving that game time to really hit what we want State of Decay to do, because that will be an important franchise for us. We showed Forza.
Frankly, I loved the fact I didn't have to bring out Gears and Halo just to say, hey. People know we have Gears and Halo in our portfolio, and we're working on other things that aren't on this list...
I was going to ask - what's your assessment of the first-party studio setup you have now? Is there enough there for you to be able to provide the kind of games I'm talking about?
Phil Spencer: I've been in this job three years and focused on hardware innovation and I think we've landed two great consoles in the last two years, with Xbox One S and Xbox One X. I've focused a lot on live innovation and getting our developer platform as much as the consumer side of the platform in shape. I'm spending a lot of time on our first-party right now. I do think we have an opportunity to get better in first-party and to grow. We've got great support from the company to go do that.
We've signed some things we haven't announced. I'm not gonna go stand on-stage - I've lived through announcing things too early and then had to live up to the hype while you're trying to go build the game, and I'm learning. I'm not a big fan of that. So I want to give teams the time.
God of War playtest time of completion were between 24 and 35 hours.
Many new Sony title are Open world.. The linear title like ND games have MP Components...
Edit: And more and more Sony title will have expansion like HZD...
That's fine, I never said they didn't have titles that weren't longer in design. I'm just pointing out the strategy for MS is focused more around that for all their titles, FPS, TPS, etc. A game doesn't need to be open world to have longevity right?
You're going to continue to see more games as a service on MS platform than you will games that can be traditionally beaten through a single run through.
Sony said European player like story driven games, this is why they change the formula of God of war with a more human Kratos...
For GAAS They will have more and more elements like MTX in games but they will never stop doing story driven games because it is what they do best...
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http://twinfinite.net/2017/10/who-john-kodera-sony-ceo/
Sony said during last warning GAAS and network services will be a big part of Sony too and this the reason of the John Kodera promotion...
yea I recall this as well
I selected MS/SIE published from those lists, which includes second party. The Gematsu database had fives titles as exclusive for XBO including third parties (disc games, not downloads). Well, Recop linked the full lists.
I think that's missing the point. In choosing a console, clearly the one that offers more including the preferred big hitters offers more options. Like choosing between Amazon Prime and Netflix. Let's say they both offer GoT and the Marvel Films and whoever knows what else that Joe Schmo wants. He then compares title lists and Amazon has 50 exclusives of which 10% he's interested in, and Netflix has 500 exclusives of which 3% he's interested in because many are Bollywood movies...he can make an informed choice as to which to subscribe to. Without those lists, he's taking pot luck.
Where lists are vital is in disputing things like, 'console X is only good for shooters,' and, 'company X just releases remakes,' and 'they just release BC titles these days' - qualitative points that can be disputed by quantitative data.
Very much disagree. I think it's a case of people who spend hundreds of hours on a couple of mammoth games liking to take a break and having the option to. I guess to answer that we need to know people's playing habits. Clearly though, for people where it does matter, they'd be correct to say, "MS lacks exclusives." That appears to be fact. The discussion then moves onto how that impacts the business and users.
All the more reason for gamers to potentially check out EA Access or Xbox Games Pass; for a very low price for 1 month you can play vastly different games from a wide variety. Perfect for a gaming pallet cleanser.
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That all depends on the definition of "lacks". The typical definition is having none or being without. So that statement reads as "MS has no exclusives". That's the statement and meaning people find offensive and blatantly false.
interesting, when such a service as netflix exists on MS platform
Both of them actually, and none on Sony's.Back on topic, once again it comes down to interest unfortunately. If you're looking specifically for JPN games sure.
As someone who plays majority of MP, and I enjoy eSports and i see _nothing_ on Sony's side aside from GT Sport that even remotely enters this category.
Games types ebb and flow. When the world gets bored of open world and narrative style games, people are gonna feel desperate for something fresh, likely in the MP space. Enter the PUBG battle royale games. Fresh, and even with the worse performance are selling gang busters. People like gameplay, and here it is.
I would best describe MS actions as, very much trying to take advantage of their server advantage over their competitors. I'm sure that PUBG being run on azure servers probably helped them secure a deal here. Problem is, the 3P studios are doing one hell of a job in the MP space too.
For all the emphasis of no games on xbox, and all games on Sony, I think MS came away with more wins in the 1P space than Sony did at the Game Awards this year. I'm not saying that to drum up console wars, but I want to remind everyone that you like certain games on your platform and you are interested in games on your platform, doesn't mean there aren't good games on a competing platform, or.. no games at all. I was a bit shocked that HZD was swept, yes, for all the hype i've read in every single thread across the internet, it should have been the second coming of some religion.
interesting, when such a service as netflix exists on MS platform
Back on topic, once again it comes down to interest unfortunately. If you're looking specifically for JPN games sure.
As someone who plays majority of MP, and I enjoy eSports and i see _nothing_ on Sony's side aside from GT Sport that even remotely enters this category.
Games types ebb and flow. When the world gets bored of open world and narrative style games, people are gonna feel desperate for something fresh, likely in the MP space. Enter the PUBG battle royale games. Fresh, and even with the worse performance are selling gang busters. People like gameplay, and here it is.
I would best describe MS actions as, very much trying to take advantage of their server advantage over their competitors. I'm sure that PUBG being run on azure servers probably helped them secure a deal here. Problem is, the 3P studios are doing one hell of a job in the MP space too.
For all the emphasis of no games on xbox, and all games on Sony, I think MS came away with more wins in the 1P space than Sony did at the Game Awards this year. I'm not saying that to drum up console wars, but I want to remind everyone that you like certain games on your platform and you are interested in games on your platform, doesn't mean there aren't good games on a competing platform, or.. no games at all. I was a bit shocked that HZD was swept, yes, for all the hype i've read in every single thread across the internet, it should have been the second coming of some religion.
HZD won nothing because it comes the year of Zelda release...
After HZD is very good but not flawless... I think HZD 2 will be what Uncharted 2 was to Uncharted...
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- HZD fight against human are not good.
- Traversal system is not very good
- Some smaller default like cutscene animation needed improvement(body language, camera work...), position of Aloy regarding of the camera is inconsistent, side quest story could been improved...
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This is simply not true.
lack
lak/
noun
- 1.
the state of being without or not having enough of something.
"the case was dismissed for lack of evidence"
synonyms: absence, want, need, deficiency, dearth, insufficiency, shortage, shortfall, scarcity, paucity, unavailability, deficit
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- 1.
be without or deficient in.
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synonyms: be without, be in need of, need, be lacking, require, want, be short of, be deficient in, be bereft of, be low on, be pressed for, have insufficient;
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It’s great that we want solid discussions around here but your statement is more garbage than most.
you don't need to defend HZD. It's an excellent title alongside all the other nominees. GT Sport is also great, and probably would have won if Forza 7 didn't release.
I just used this an example of the thought process of 'no games'. it's more like 'no games I am interested in', and not necessarily no games.
We ve been hearing the excuse "we are only showing games you are going to play next year" for years now.
Also Crachdown has been anounced years ago and no it doesnt look fantastic. Neither does State of Decay. Their first party/exclusive AAA releases have been lacklaster. And their PR trying to spin it around is pure failure.
Their hardware design and console features though are top notch
As I said and as you shown lacks in verb form means "to be without" which is exactly what I said. Thanks for saying exactly what I said.
Ok :
- What makes you think that Sony acts differently ?
- What makes you think it's not standard PR communication ?
Exactly. Actually, if you have nothing to show then you just have to make promises... really, it's too easy to compare promises to actual games.
I would even say that MS is probably the least reliable among the 3 constructors concerning their futur games... how many games have they cancelled ? When was the first annoucement of Crackdown 3 ? Yet, we still don't even know how the Cloud will work on their game...
And as you said, their games look rather like AA than AAA. It doesn't mean they won't be good though, but MS doesn't seem to put a lot of money in their games. That blockbuster feeling is mostly provided by Sony and third party developers.
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because that was announced way too early. They stopped doing that thus it likely lead to a lot of cancellations. Those titles were announced back in 2014 or something, possibly 2015. We're entering 2018 now.
Since 2016 they stopped doing the early announcements pointing to many project cancellations in 2016.
Ok, but Sony is supposed to act differently than MS now, right ? So, Sony is supposed to announce their games way too early too. Yet, we don't see a lot of cancellations... the only one i have in mind is Deep Down.
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