No. We already have a policy here of not adding to the noise, aka don't feed the trolls. There's nothing to gain from prolonging the pain.
Sony and Microsoft first party strategy
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No. We already have a policy here of not adding to the noise, aka don't feed the trolls. There's nothing to gain from prolonging the pain.
To further clarify my viewpoints. The statement of "MS has no games" is a trolling statement. To disprove it all that needs to be listed is a single game. That's not worthy of a discussion. Its as equally wrong of a statement as "Sony only has remakes". This should be evident to everyone.
What could be suitable for discussion are completely different statements of "Sony has more first party games" or "Sony has more remakes", but those weren't the statements made.
What could be suitable for discussion are completely different statements of "Sony has more first party games" or "Sony has more remakes", but those weren't the statements made.
Yep. And there are others interesting places where those conversations can more or less freely take place anyways.
But there are some obvious facts though :
There are much more games and variety on the Sony side. It's a cold fact.
That wasn't the initial statement made, and thus not part of the immediate discussion being shown to be meaningless.
That point you just said now is meaningful and is welcome.
I don’t disagree with your response, I understand what you attempted to do with the list.I got my list from a Google search from, I presume, a neutral site - the same site lists all the platforms. Though list wars are dumb, presenting statistical basis for arguments isn't. Faced with an allegation that Sony just make rehashes of remakes, or even those constitute a large part of Sony's first party library, I submit evidence to the contrary. In fact, without reference to statistical data, such arguments are pointless as no-one can prove if Company A is or isn't producing first party titles. However, listing 14 titles that aren't remakes is considered inappropriate list wars so the evidence is removed, leaving the allegation only challengable by posturing.
Maybe we should maintain our own officially sanctioned B3D lists if we won't trust other sources? Otherwise what other option is there but ban discussion about game libraries?!
Part of the issue is that exclusives, and putting heavy weight on them, or remakes or BC, or anything is more a reflection of your own values than it is anything else. I mean I know what I got into when I bought Xbox, I am at the core a MP centric player. That’s never really changed, and so I value MP centric features and titles over exclusive games that I frankly wouldn’t be playing anyway.
So BC vs remake is sort of the same idea. You’ll value one over the other and there is probably no correct answer, it’s just going to come down to which one you prefer.
As for the actual list wars, the X vs the Y in terms of numeric amount. Aside from that list being wrong, major problem stems from the fact that both companies agreed to stop announcing titles so early before release. So we have no idea how deep that pipeline goes for either company.
It would make sense to make a list of released games and not games that have been announced to arrive for your example. That being said, I think that there would be more investment by Sony in this regard, but it’s hard to tell because many JPN games are exclusive by default and people like to include those titles into lists so I have a harder time looking through what was developed directly by Sony.
If we look strictly at publishing, then MS wins by a technicality when concerning number of BC titles published since the program began.
Billy Idol
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I do hope that MS increases its investment in first party studios. The new shift to again having the most powerful console lets me hope that MS also wants to feed this power with something spectacular.
It would also be fine imo, if they partner up with third party studios and develop exclusive games tailored to the Xbox.
I do believe that the role nowadays of exclusives is not necessarily to be the absolute best seller, but more to make the portfolio of games as broad as possible, while selling reasonable numbers (otherwise it will get killed of by the companies)...basically offer something for everyone.
On the other hand, while Sony has many games in the oven it seems...where the heck are all these games? Sony really needs to structure and organize the releases better imo. Huge dry period...I am basically starving!
No big fish for me from Sony in November/December and MS as well: one offers a DLC and a beta, the other one an early access game.
Meh, lazy first party devs confirmed :/
It would also be fine imo, if they partner up with third party studios and develop exclusive games tailored to the Xbox.
I do believe that the role nowadays of exclusives is not necessarily to be the absolute best seller, but more to make the portfolio of games as broad as possible, while selling reasonable numbers (otherwise it will get killed of by the companies)...basically offer something for everyone.
On the other hand, while Sony has many games in the oven it seems...where the heck are all these games? Sony really needs to structure and organize the releases better imo. Huge dry period...I am basically starving!
No big fish for me from Sony in November/December and MS as well: one offers a DLC and a beta, the other one an early access game.
Meh, lazy first party devs confirmed :/
Sony seems to let each year the end of the year to third party. Out of GT Sport no fall title.
Edit: And this time Microsoft will do in part the same. Sea of thieves, Crackdown 3 and State do Decay 2 seems to not be fall title.
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djskribbles
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Right. Sony doesn't seem to be too concerned about evenly releasing their exclusives throughout the year. They released several of them early in the year with I believe only Uncharted LL, GTS and Horizon DLC in the second half.
Usually near the end of the year they partner up with third-parties with marketing deals and bundles.
But to answer Billy Idol's question in regards to when their games are to be released: in 2018, God of War, Spider-Man, Detroit, Dreams and Days Gone are scheduled to be released (and Shadow of the Colossus if you include remakes). TLoU 2 and Death Stranding are probably 2019 titles.
You know what's awesome about this place? A dispute can be raised, discussed, and threads can be reopened etc. when meritorious. No draconian, totalitarian moderation but a group of us balancing out what does and doesn't make it in. We have guiding principles but that doesn't mean they are 100% right in our interpretation, nor 100% full-proof in managing conversations, and sometimes they need a little work to get the best balance.
If someone says, "platform X is better because of more exclusives," that's true, but when it comes to a simple head count to show how companies are trying to woo customers through exclusives, we need that data.
Yep. I'm guessing that's the context some were reading my post. I was only commenting on Brit's part of the conversation and showing PS4 has new exclusives which aren't remakes.
[quote[As for the actual list wars, the X vs the Y in terms of numeric amount. Aside from that list being wrong...[/quote]What's the right list?! Is there nowhere a list is properly maintained?
Though true, you should be seeing some announcements per year as games are rolled out. That is, with 50 games in development, you'll hear about ten a year for 5 years. With 3 games in development, you'll rarely hear about any. If Company A is revealing several games per Game Convention and Company B isn't, that really does point to A producing more, realistically. There's one situation, where a company has more in development but changes the announcement schedule so they get talked about later, which'd result in a dry period of announcements until all the games are further along the pipeline, which might happen. Pairing up announcement lists with actual released games list will provide an overview on strategy and future library more accurate than a weather report, at least.
I'd have the two. In fact it's kinda necessary because the statement, "Company doesn't have any games coming," keeps coming up and there ought to be a good reference to the validity of that statement. I for one never appreciate just how many games there are for my console, only ever hearing about a few AAA titles in the general internet chatter! The constant repetition of "MS/Sony/Ninty hasn't got any games coming for Console X" can be pretty brain-washing without any counterpoints.
Nothing wrong with categories in a list. Those wanting number of titles will just take the whole lot. Those not valuing BC will look at the platform specific games. With a decent list we can at least prevent invalid claims persisting and disseminate it into investment strategies and library diversities and give consumers information about what platforms provide the types of games they like.
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More than anything, and like a lot of other publishers, Sony seem to be intent on releasing games when they are ready even if it means missing preferred released dates. They pushed Infamous Second Son and DriveClub, both of which were supposed to be launch titles and they've pushed most of the main Uncharted Games and The Last of Us.
If you prioritise quality over timeliness your release schedule will suffer. But something Sony should be commended on is supporting their consoles throughout the lifetimes. PS4 is over four years old and there are plenty of games in the pipeline even though PS5 is likely going to release in less than two years. Having The Last of Us 2 an amazeballs PS5 launch title must be so tempting.
Sony has much more games and more variety in both : released games and announced games.
It's an indiscutable fact.
https://gematsu.com/exclusives/ps4
https://gematsu.com/exclusives/xbox-one
It's an indiscutable fact.
https://gematsu.com/exclusives/ps4
https://gematsu.com/exclusives/xbox-one
That's exactly the sort of comment that constitutes noise which Brit was wanting to prevent. There ought to be a point to your assertion - where is anyone disputing that such that the fact needs reiterating? WithPS4 being the only high-end home console in Japan means it'll be getting regional 3rd party exclusives! Use of lists should be to address specific, countable points, such as 'how many first/second party titles does each console have?' for the purposes of meaningful discussion about the industry.
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I know that Sony has lots of exclusives scheduled in early 2018.
Doesn’t help me know...right? But I do see the point of Sony maybe doing deals with EA and ActiVision for BF and COD having no competition at the end of the year...could be a thing, yes. Or maybe Sony is even afraid that those big fishes take away from the exclusive pr buzz...
Doesn’t help me know...right? But I do see the point of Sony maybe doing deals with EA and ActiVision for BF and COD having no competition at the end of the year...could be a thing, yes. Or maybe Sony is even afraid that those big fishes take away from the exclusive pr buzz...
Sony and MS do make money of the EA and Activision titles and all other 3rd parties.
There is most likely only a finite amount of money available for them to capture. So instead of saturating the fall window, lets spread it out to other windows, maybe they even earn more by releasing their own blockbusters in other the windows.
Its all about the bottom line in the end, but the strategies to achieve it might be different.
And Microsoft launch Sunset Overdrive and other title after August and the games were lost behind the big fish... At least Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crackdown 3 will have a chance to shine...
Third party deals are a better things to do for holidays period and and it maximize the sales of exclusives not going against COD, Battlefront, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, Destiny, Overwatch...
Edit: Out of Halo, Gears and Forza MS will probably choose to launch title during first half of year.
And you can see those data in the links i posted.
Anyway, an exclusive title is an exclusive title.
I don't get why it's a sensible subject. I mean, we only have to look at the data and that's all... it's not a baffling problem.
There's no particular problem when we say the PS4 has more sales than the XB1 and nobody asks for more details. Why can't it be the same with the games ?
I'm not here for a fanboy war, i just want to stick with facts.
This kind of sentence : "Aside from that list being wrong, major problem stems from the fact that both companies agreed to stop announcing titles so early before release. So we have no idea how deep that pipeline goes for either company."
I mean, just no... if MS had as many games as Sony to announce then we should see it... sometimes the reality is really basic...
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