Some quotes about PS3 CPU
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Heatpipes needn’t be that expensive if you own the production facilities.MfA said:
A veined sintered powder heatpipe, can be produced in very few steps.
It’s virtually just: Pour metal powder in case around the vein mold, heat and cool, pour in water, weld shut, and presto! One heatpipe.
MfA said:
Why do you say this? Do heatpipes need manufacturing plants worth several billion US$?
one said:
You may mean this thread/post? I remember discussions on cooling the PS3 here...
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=358386#358386
Guden Oden said:MfA said:
Why do you say this? Do heatpipes need manufacturing plants worth several billion US$?
Doesn't matter how much the manufacturing plants cost to make. The product esp if its copper as the set up that was sugested is , will be very expensive
The first one will cost alot less than the second one that was mention in the original quote.
Both will be very expensive . not to mention you could then use the system for weight lifting .
jvd said:
Compared to what? The PS2 launched with a DIE-CAST pin/fin heatsink with integrated copper heatpipes, so obviously it's doable. You're just speculating though you want to make it sound as if you actually know.
It'll be a small miracle if CPU + GPU in the next gen of consoles only dissipate an aggregate of 100W, likely it will be upwards of twice that much. Obviously a big cooler will be needed.
Have you checked out Thermalright's XP-90 by the way? It would definitely manage a 100W heatload, yet it sells retail for no more than $40 at Newegg. Do you seriously believe Sony would pay anywhere near that price for such a cooler? The material and labor in that sink probably isn't even worth 5 bucks in mass production, if it REALLY cost $40, you'd have to pay like a million dollars for a car.
compared to other chips. If your saying it needs to cool down 100 watts (or as the person in the post suggested ) then the original ps2 heatsink wont do a lick of good .
You have massive p4 coolers for the prescott that still need high cfm fans to cool the chips .I don't know if you follow the cooling world but many heatsinks have become very complex and expensive to produce to cool the new generation of chips
I don't believe the chips will dissipate that much heat. I don't expect 3ghz + cell chips in the ps3 though (and thats one of the reasons ) in a small box it will be a miricale to cool them .
Yes i've seen it , my friend runs it on his athlon mobile (i have the xp 120 btw ) his xp 90 on a 2.5 ghz mobile chip with 1.6 core is using a 90cfm fan to keep it at 50c under load , i highly doubt any home console user wants a such a high rated (and noisy ) fan in thier console .
No i don't think they will pay 40$ for it , though i would expect they'd still pay a few dollars over cost unless they make it themselves in which case they will pay cost , which is most likely around 15$ to make .
Bad example.
Heatsinks are a very small busniess . I'm sure they make no where near a profit of 35$ on a 40$ heatsink .
Bit often the simple, traditional cooler dsign works just as well as those excotic "fan like" and such monstorous designs, which are produced mainly for the modding community with plexiglass PC cases. That's why they have to look "cool" and "effective".jvd said:
My AMD64 3000+ cooler that came with the processor is a simple heatsink with fan, and it does it's job even better than some coolers that are marketed as being more effective and are bigger in size.
It's not only the size of heatsink and fan that factor in the system's cooling. The placement of components and airflow inside the case are at least as important, and how well the heat conducts through the heatsink(s).
Well, it doesn't differ that much from the top of the line AMD 64 bit's cooler.
It's the cooler that AMD stocks with the processor.
I am even aware of my temps, at idle it is around 40-43 Celsius, at load it stays below 50 Celsius. The fan speed is fixed at 3515 rpm.
If I lower the fan to 2400, the idle temps rise 1 degrees, haven't tried the lower fan speed at load. I don't use Cool'n'Quiet as I don't like running it slower than max
Though they're not necessarily very reliable readings, as I use the mainboard manufacturer's MSI 'Core Center' to tell them. It's known that the readings vary somewhat depending which bios you have.
It's the cooler that AMD stocks with the processor.
I am even aware of my temps, at idle it is around 40-43 Celsius, at load it stays below 50 Celsius. The fan speed is fixed at 3515 rpm.
If I lower the fan to 2400, the idle temps rise 1 degrees, haven't tried the lower fan speed at load. I don't use Cool'n'Quiet as I don't like running it slower than max
Though they're not necessarily very reliable readings, as I use the mainboard manufacturer's MSI 'Core Center' to tell them. It's known that the readings vary somewhat depending which bios you have.
compared to other chips. If your saying it needs to cool down 100 watts (or as the person in the post suggested ) then the original ps2 heatsink wont do a lick of good .[/quote]
It was good for dissipating about 40W with a very small fan comparatively speaking, but that wasn't actually what I was getting at. If you'd stopped to think for a second you'd have noticed I mentioned die-cast, which is probably the most expensive manufacturing method in use in heatsink production. Extrusion or soldering a bunch of fins onto a base is far cheaper.
Intel retail cooler is large but not exactly what I'd call "massive"; it fits entirely inside the socket no-obstruction zone after all. Nor is the fan extremely high-flow either I might add. Seems like you're off-base on this one.
Any high-class CPU today + any high-class GPU = over 100W already. You expect a multicore chip to weigh in at less than 50W? Fuhgeddit!
Why would it need a large BOX? It's not the BOX that does the cooling!
His case must run very hot, because that sink shouldn't need anywhere near that air volume to reach temps in that neighborhood. Or did he forget to remove the plastic sticker protecting the base?
What makes you think the fan would need to push 90cfm in a console? Proper ducting will help tremendously (airflow is utter chaos inside PC cases), and 50C is far below the safe limit anyway, if the chip runs at 65C it'd likely still be well below and wouldn't near near the same airflow.
You just made that shit up. WHAT in that cooler would cost $15, huh? It's a few bits of aluminum and copper soldered together with a nickel plating, none of which are rare, and the manufacturing technique is extremely simple. On top of it all, it's made in a low-wage country right now and that wouldn't exactly change if Sony was to use something similar. They do that right now, their joypads are made in China after all, dunno with the PS2 console itself, China too or the Philippines or some such I'd think.
No, GOOD example. I said MASS production, you can be sure Thermalright doesn't make more than a few thousand sinks per batch. Sony would be making hundreds of thousands on an annual basis bare minimum.
It was good for dissipating about 40W with a very small fan comparatively speaking, but that wasn't actually what I was getting at. If you'd stopped to think for a second you'd have noticed I mentioned die-cast, which is probably the most expensive manufacturing method in use in heatsink production. Extrusion or soldering a bunch of fins onto a base is far cheaper.
Intel retail cooler is large but not exactly what I'd call "massive"; it fits entirely inside the socket no-obstruction zone after all. Nor is the fan extremely high-flow either I might add. Seems like you're off-base on this one.
Any high-class CPU today + any high-class GPU = over 100W already. You expect a multicore chip to weigh in at less than 50W? Fuhgeddit!
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Why would it need a large BOX?
It's not the BOX that does the cooling!His case must run very hot, because that sink shouldn't need anywhere near that air volume to reach temps in that neighborhood. Or did he forget to remove the plastic sticker protecting the base?
What makes you think the fan would need to push 90cfm in a console? Proper ducting will help tremendously (airflow is utter chaos inside PC cases), and 50C is far below the safe limit anyway, if the chip runs at 65C it'd likely still be well below and wouldn't near near the same airflow.
You just made that shit up. WHAT in that cooler would cost $15, huh? It's a few bits of aluminum and copper soldered together with a nickel plating, none of which are rare, and the manufacturing technique is extremely simple. On top of it all, it's made in a low-wage country right now and that wouldn't exactly change if Sony was to use something similar. They do that right now, their joypads are made in China after all, dunno with the PS2 console itself, China too or the Philippines or some such I'd think.
No, GOOD example. I said MASS production, you can be sure Thermalright doesn't make more than a few thousand sinks per batch. Sony would be making hundreds of thousands on an annual basis bare minimum.
Yes , how well would that fit into a box like the ps2 though. NOt very well. The cooler it self is massive and heavy for a console . With that much weight in the box it will be hard to move it as it could knock off the heatsink. Not to mention that even the highest (last i check 3.6) was still under a 100watt thermal load .
Hmm yes the cpu + gpu in a pc is over 100watts , most likely 150watts , but don't forget they both have thier own cooling plus normaly 2 case fans to cool them.
air flow and just size for heatsinks and fans. You can't put on a athlon 64 heatink and then one just as big for the gpu in a ps2 console , its much to small (and yes i've seen the original heatsink in there)
heh he has 2 120mm fans pushing 120cfms each in the case , case temps are 24c . Yes the heatsink was put on right .
once u get to the 60c temps with athlon xps you start to get random crashes , its much to hot . Secondly ducting will help , but then again what are you going to use to draw the air in ? If you use just holes in a grate with a duct its not going to do wonders. If u use a second fan well thats another fan to die and allso adds to the noise lvl .
ocz announces the cost of thier heatsinks all the time . If you go to thier site and follow forum posts you will find out (did u know the voltage dimm costs them 28$ to make ? ) its not so much materials but the pressing (For lack of a better term) of the heatsink. Not only do the use a mold to form it (which is expensive) but then they have to lap it . All that takes time and money .
this goes against the arguement brought up by someone earlier that the cost of the heatsinks would only be for a limited time.
My A64 3200 and GFFX5900U might be dissipating more than 100W, but my case is huge, mostly empty, and tehre are 5 fans in total, 2 for the GPU alone, one for the CPU and 2 case fans....
A console cannot have 5 fans, unless Sony decides to unite their Game-Movie-Entertainment sector with their Air Conditionig sector (do they have one??)...
"PS3 plays games, BlueRay movies, surf the Internet AND cool your house down!!!!!"
A console cannot have 5 fans, unless Sony decides to unite their Game-Movie-Entertainment sector with their Air Conditionig sector (do they have one??)...
"PS3 plays games, BlueRay movies, surf the Internet AND cool your house down!!!!!"
On a related note Sony builds very nifty PC cooling solutions. The R Series Vaio for instance:
Check out the presentation for a look at its innards.
Check out the presentation for a look at its innards.
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Will this change into the future?
Evil_Cloud said:
Will this change into the future?
A long time methinks, at least until Windows is the leader. You don't really think that just becasue they happen to be competitors in the console sector, Sony is going to ignore the world's leaders in the OS market, right.... If there's money to be made, Sony will be there
They'll never target a niche audience like Linux users for their mainstream VAIO PCs, until Linux gets a sizeable market share. Which ain't gonna happen anytime soon.
Besides, Sony are only recommending MS Windows for their Vaio PC line. Not like they have much choice.
I'm sure their servers run on Linux. Anything BUT windows for servers
OMG, Windows is the leader!london-boy said:
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Evil_Cloud said:
Will this change into the future?
Oh Christ....
I'm sure the same can easily be said about the DVD player. :?
Spidermate said:
Huh?
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