Some developer comments on PS3/X360 (Edge Magazine)

[SanGreal]

Why did MS give devs a machine thats soooo much weaker?

Difference in approach. Around E3 Sony had shipped ~100 development kits. Microsoft had shipped ~4000.

 

[BTOA]

Xbox 360 developers should now have somewhat if not the final hardware of Xbox 360. So from here on, no excuses.

You're right no excuses. And I have to ask this question. If PS3 devs will have closer to final hardware for a longer time than X360 devs will this be an advantage for Sony?

A lot of Sony E3 stuff is what developers are trying to aim for with final hardware. I don't think devs had final hardware or close to what final hardware would be, besides having a Cell CPU.

Why did MS give devs a machine thats soooo much weaker?

Maybe as an excuse for the underwhelming graphics or/and performance?

 

[hasanahmad]

Xbox 360 developers should now have somewhat if not the final hardware of Xbox 360. So from here on, no excuses.

You're right no excuses. And I have to ask this question. If PS3 devs will have closer to final hardware for a longer time than X360 devs will this be an advantage for Sony?

A lot of Sony E3 stuff is what developers are trying to aim for with final hardware. I don't think devs had final hardware or close to what final hardware would be, besides having a Cell CPU.

Why did MS give devs a machine thats soooo much weaker?

Maybe as an excuse for the underwhelming graphics?

Trying to aim for final hardware. did you forget 1999 when they tried to aim for FF7 CGI and got pixels? did you forget that so quickly about toy story like graphics remark? did you forget Kutaragi saying PS2 emotion engine will replace personal computers the same remark he made about the Cell?

 

[one]

It's hilarious that someone demands someone to post the whole comments on the magazine saying that the poster is selective, as if the choice for the comments done by EGM editors were fair enough to satisfy the person who demands the above

 

[Tap In]

This thread is a a bunch of system war nonsense.


damned shame for B3d

 

[SanGreal]

Trying to aim for final hardware. did you forget 1999 when they tried to aim for FF7 CGI and got pixels? did you forget that so quickly about toy story like graphics remark? did you forget Kutaragi saying PS2 emotion engine will replace personal computers the same remark he made about the Cell?

http://netscape.com.com/Microsoft+got+game+Xbox+unveiled/2100-1040_3-250632.html

"One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'"

 

[hasanahmad]

It's hilarious that someone demands someone to post the whole comments on the magazine saying that the poster is selective, as if the choice for the comments done by EGM editors were fair enough to satisfy the person who demands the above

its even more hilarious that when the poster replies he says there are alot of other positives and negatives but posts only negatives

 

[SanGreal]

and people complain that the console forum is too heavily moderated...

 

[hasanahmad]

Trying to aim for final hardware. did you forget 1999 when they tried to aim for FF7 CGI and got pixels? did you forget that so quickly about toy story like graphics remark? did you forget Kutaragi saying PS2 emotion engine will replace personal computers the same remark he made about the Cell?

http://netscape.com.com/Microsoft+got+game+Xbox+unveiled/2100-1040_3-250632.html

"One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'"

I'm sorry but Microsoft said that about TS 2 while Sony said that about TS1. but Sony were at it again saying thats how its going to look while MS didnt repeat the statement. Who will you trust now?

 

[one]

did you forget that so quickly about toy story like graphics remark?

http://www.viewz.com/aol/gameguide/hardware/xboxrevealed.shtml

Following his introduction was a limited demonstration of the Xbox by Seamus Blackley, one of Microsoft's key ambassadors to the gaming industry. He previewed two upcoming games due to be included in the Xbox's launch, Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee and Malice from Argonaut Games (Croc and Croc 2).

Both games were run using an Xbox development kit, something that Seamus was quick to point out would only be able to run at a fifth of the Xbox's final capabilities (those last few state-of-the-art chips, remember?). He played the games in real-time, showing that these were not pre-rendered clips and the result was a few minutes of gameplay that was very smooth with full sound.

The level of graphics performance wasn't enough to outdo a top end PC system, but they were cutting edge enough for the console market. What really stood out were certain details, like the veins in Munch's eyes and forehead seen when Seamus zoomed in on the main character in Munch's Oddysee, or the way that Malice's sweet young curls bounced about her head as she proceeded to smash little bugs with a massive mallet.

Unlike Munch's Oddysee, which is the next in an already familiar series (albeit one that will take place in a much richer and more detailed environment), Malice is an original title introducing a new character, a deceptively sweet young girl with a surprising potential for violence. It's a game that Seamus touted for its graphics.

"These guys are achieving the level of visual detail that you really did get in Toy Story" he said before directing young Malice to run an ominous machine called the "deathroller" over a fleet of wriggling bugs. A close-up on the innocent, mallet-wielding moppet showed a petite, yet lean little girl hiding under large round eyes and a set of flouncing curls. Seamus expressed that the Xbox allows for much of the graphics design to be placed into the hands of the character designer, offering a level of emotion that "only characters in films have had to date".

 

[hasanahmad]

did you forget that so quickly about toy story like graphics remark?

http://www.viewz.com/aol/gameguide/hardware/xboxrevealed.shtml

Following his introduction was a limited demonstration of the Xbox by Seamus Blackley, one of Microsoft's key ambassadors to the gaming industry. He previewed two upcoming games due to be included in the Xbox's launch, Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee and Malice from Argonaut Games (Croc and Croc 2).

Both games were run using an Xbox development kit, something that Seamus was quick to point out would only be able to run at a fifth of the Xbox's final capabilities (those last few state-of-the-art chips, remember?). He played the games in real-time, showing that these were not pre-rendered clips and the result was a few minutes of gameplay that was very smooth with full sound.

The level of graphics performance wasn't enough to outdo a top end PC system, but they were cutting edge enough for the console market. What really stood out were certain details, like the veins in Munch's eyes and forehead seen when Seamus zoomed in on the main character in Munch's Oddysee, or the way that Malice's sweet young curls bounced about her head as she proceeded to smash little bugs with a massive mallet.

Unlike Munch's Oddysee, which is the next in an already familiar series (albeit one that will take place in a much richer and more detailed environment), Malice is an original title introducing a new character, a deceptively sweet young girl with a surprising potential for violence. It's a game that Seamus touted for its graphics.

"These guys are achieving the level of visual detail that you really did get in Toy Story" he said before directing young Malice to run an ominous machine called the "deathroller" over a fleet of wriggling bugs. A close-up on the innocent, mallet-wielding moppet showed a petite, yet lean little girl hiding under large round eyes and a set of flouncing curls. Seamus expressed that the Xbox allows for much of the graphics design to be placed into the hands of the character designer, offering a level of emotion that "only characters in films have had to date".

I'm sorry but Microsoft said that about TS 2 while Sony said that about TS1. but Sony were at it again saying thats how its going to look while MS didnt repeat the statement. Who will you trust now?

 

[BTOA]

Xbox 360 developers should now have somewhat if not the final hardware of Xbox 360. So from here on, no excuses.

You're right no excuses. And I have to ask this question. If PS3 devs will have closer to final hardware for a longer time than X360 devs will this be an advantage for Sony?

A lot of Sony E3 stuff is what developers are trying to aim for with final hardware. I don't think devs had final hardware or close to what final hardware would be, besides having a Cell CPU.

Why did MS give devs a machine thats soooo much weaker?

Maybe as an excuse for the underwhelming graphics?

Trying to aim for final hardware. did you forget 1999 when they tried to aim for FF7 CGI and got pixels? did you forget that so quickly about toy story like graphics remark? did you forget Kutaragi saying PS2 emotion engine will replace personal computers the same remark he made about the Cell?

Toy Story graphics remark? Are you talking about MS, because I have yet to find that comment that clearly states Sony will have Toy Story graphics. Did we also forget that the PS2 was a harder to develope for, since it was a totally new and different system?

Sony has reached most if not all of what it has promised in the graphics department from PS2.

 

[Acert93]

Mark Rein (Epic)

On PS3 dev kit:

"The only thing was, even though we had these ass-kicking Nvidia 6800 Ultra SLI systems, when we got the actual RSX card, even though it's not running anywhere near full speed, it was more than twice as fast as our SLI setup."

On X360

"It (non final X360 kit) is about 30 percent right?
We think it's 25% [chuckles] ."

Mark Rein fuzzy math time!

Given: X800 XT ~ 6800U

RSX = 2 x 6800U-SLI
RSX = 4 x 6800U

360 Dev kit = 25% 360
360 Dev Kit = X800 XT
C1 = 4 x X800 XT

C1 = RSX



This thread is going down (flame bait from the get go) so not much more to say. Oh wait, it already went down... Have fun guys

Ps - I am sure someone is going to argue with my obvious attempt at humor and how it technically is not accurate... meh!!

 

[one]

I'm sorry but Microsoft said that about TS 2 while Sony said that about TS1. but Sony were at it again saying thats how its going to look while MS didnt repeat the statement. Who will you trust now?

Do you have the source for Sony said Toy Story? Perhaps in your dream?

 

[Farid]

What's up with the joke characters invading the forums these days?

 

[Jacob]

Massive bannings.


You know it has to be done.

Mods, save this forum.

 

[SanGreal]

What's up with the joke characters invading the forums these days?

The better question is: Why are they allowed to stay?

 

[Titanio]

It's hilarious that someone demands someone to post the whole comments on the magazine saying that the poster is selective, as if the choice for the comments done by EGM editors were fair enough to satisfy the person who demands the above

its even more hilarious that when the poster replies he says there are alot of other positives and negatives but posts only negatives

The quotes that compare the systems technically, are pretty much all there as far as I can see. There are other positives, but they're not wrt tech.

And I only posted negatives wrt X360? Look closer.

Again, I'm sorry if I can't magic up non-existant quotes for you

 

[hasanahmad]

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,15520,00.asp

The power behind the PlayStation 2 is the Emotion Engine, its 300-MHz processor, developed by Sony and Toshiba. This chip handles twice as many floating-point operations per second as a 733-MHz Intel Pentium III, which translates to very good graphics, say analysts at MicroDesign Resources. Sony also includes a high-powered graphics synthesizer chip with 4MB of video memory and 32MB of high-speed Rambus memory.



Hmm i wonder what chip Xbox had

 

[mckmas8808]

The better question is: Why are they allowed to stay?

Ahh we know the answer to that. These people tend to have a more MS slate on things. Certain people want these people here just to down Sony. imho. :?