Don't worry, you're missing something. 
So, do we know anything about RV670 yet?
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It is as fast as the GT no doub't in that but it won't beat the GT @ 700MHz not @ that overclock of 860MHz, and GTs are cheap here now too they cost 220€ now including everything (and those are the new 3 Phase PCBs even better overclockability).
So Ati needs to be really cheap now and especialy the AA problem needs to be fixed from that 1920x1200 (only 1 slide of the HD3870?) it seems it will be even more problematic.
I really hope they finalized Edge Detected AA and give it a big speedup in Catalyst 7.11 that would beat Nvidia in a Snap.
So Ati needs to be really cheap now and especialy the AA problem needs to be fixed from that 1920x1200 (only 1 slide of the HD3870?) it seems it will be even more problematic.
I really hope they finalized Edge Detected AA and give it a big speedup in Catalyst 7.11 that would beat Nvidia in a Snap.
Don't worry, you're missing something.
Phew... Thanks. I was worried I was seeing things clearly for a minute there.
With regards to 'fixing' AA; are we talking about fixing the massive performance problems, or fixing something else that's broken with regards to AA that i'm not aware of?
Based on this image; GPU and Memory has some headroom.
Yes but do you remember this
I guess Auto Tune is defining the Max Value of the Slider but im not soo sure (Bios? Special Review Cards?) (dont know Overdrive)
Looking at these supposed scores and such, i'm having a hard time understanding who they're selling these cards to. Surely not owners of current HD29xx cards. It's supposed to be really cheap though right? If so I guess that makes sense, it's just that anyone who's still interested in this kind of card from AMD is bound to be running some mid to highend part allready from the 2xxx lineup and it just doesn't look like this part is all that pallatable... Or i'm missing something.
Tell me I'm missing something. Please?
yes all those people running Xxxxx series cards who haven't upgarded yet to a 29xx or 8xxxx DX10 part.
Why do you hoenstly think those people don't outnumber people who have bought a DX10 card yet?
Silent_Buddha
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Looking at these supposed scores and such, i'm having a hard time understanding who they're selling these cards to. Surely not owners of current HD29xx cards. It's supposed to be really cheap though right? If so I guess that makes sense, it's just that anyone who's still interested in this kind of card from AMD is bound to be running some mid to highend part allready from the 2xxx lineup and it just doesn't look like this part is all that pallatable... Or i'm missing something.
Tell me I'm missing something. Please?
It's aimed at two markets.
1. People running 2600 XT's or 8600 GTS's...HD 3850. And in that case for a similar price as those were selling for, you're getting a hell of a lot more performance.
2. People that wanted more performance than 2600 XT/8600 GTS but didn't want to pay the price for HD 2900 XT or 8800 GTS...HD 3870.
It's NOT aimed at people running 8800 GTS/8800 GTX/HD 2900 XT unless...
3. You are running an HTPC and want to run modern games very fast and very/relatively silently.
4. You are running an HD 2900 XT but aren't happy about how much heat it exhausts or how much power it consumes or how much noise it generates.
At 150-200 USD the 3850 will be pretty tempting to a lot of people. ESPECIALLY, when you consider it's not all that much slower than HD 2900 XT. Although I have a friend that still won't buy anything over 150 USD.
At 200-230 USD the 3870 is going to be mighty tempting to a lot of people. ESPECIALLY when you consider that (for those that don't mind Crossfire/SLI) 2x3870 will be close to what the retail price of HD 2900 XT was with the potential for a lot more performance.
And unless Nvidia drops the price of the 8800 GT (I see no real reason yet that they would need to) then for slightly less performance you spend slightly less money. I'm guessing that once new card fever cools off, the 3870 will generally be 30-40 dollars cheaper than the 8800 GT.
[Edit] - I'm tentatively in the [4] category there. I love the features of the 2900 XT even if it's slower than I would like at times. However, it uses more power and thus generates more heat than I would like. But I'm still not sure I want to invest in a card that is roughly the same speed as I already have, even if it turns out to be single slot and virtually inaudible.
Regards,
SB
CrossFire works apparently now even between different cards without the faster card having to drop to slower cards lvl:
http://resources.vr-zone.com/newspics/Nov07/09/15845xfirex.jpg
http://resources.vr-zone.com/newspics/Nov07/09/15845xfirex.jpg
But in this case you have to give up AFR and use SFR...
To equal both cards and use AFR is still the better solution, imo.
There is no SFR for Crossfire. It's either SuperTiling or Scissor(a form of SFR, with less flexibility in terms of load balancing), and AFAIR both have been dead in the water for quite a while, and I don't even think the latest drivers expose them. Unless ATi actually realised that AFR is not that great and they managed to somehow fix their SuperTiling, I'd doubt anything but AFR is going on. I'd love to be proven wrong though
Or use AFR and let the faster GPU idle (saivng power) when it's waiting on the other...
It wouldn't be much faster than having equal cards, but it won't take much more power and will still help slightly when the frametime is not constant and the faster card's frame is more expensive than the other one. Of course, that's random, so it should only be true half the time.
This kind of scheme only scales to small differences between the two cards however, if one card is twice as fast as the other, performance will still only be slightly improved compared to the slower card. Alternatively, if a GPU was twice as fast as the one in the other slot, you could make it handle Frame 1 & 2 and while the slower GPU works on frame Frame 3, but that would increase latency to very undesirable levels imo.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Looking at these supposed scores and such, i'm having a hard time understanding who they're selling these cards to. Surely not owners of current HD29xx cards. It's supposed to be really cheap though right? If so I guess that makes sense, it's just that anyone who's still interested in this kind of card from AMD is bound to be running some mid to highend part allready from the 2xxx lineup and it just doesn't look like this part is all that pallatable... Or i'm missing something.
Tell me I'm missing something. Please?
I think primarily, a lot of the improvements over R600 are aimed at OEMs.
For consumers, you've got to consider that this is a R600 refresh, and is basically the "fixed" version of R600 with better power, thermal and noise characteristics. This implies they are selling RV670 to exactly the same market that they would have sold R600 to.
Even though RV670's performance seems to be upper midrange/lower performance, the small die size and good yields are enabling AMD to drop the price and make it more attractive to consumers in order to increase market share.
Obviously if you already have R600, RV670 doesn't offer you anything much more in the way of performance, but that's pretty much the case with every refresh over it's original version. In this case though a R600 owner would get the benefits of lower power, heat and noise, some new features (UVD, better AA performance), while AMD get the benefits of better and more yields, bigger marketshare, OEM wins, etc.
You can understand why R600 was end-of-lifed so quickly considering that RV670 is just about better in every way for everyone. AMD should be kissing their engineers and TMSC that they got this working so quickly and so well after their previous execution misfires.
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Is that the number of hours until the NDA lifts or what? :smile:
I am running a HD2600XT now and a P35 Motherboard. I have the ability to crossfire if I want but until a few days ago I would never have even contemplated it.
The pricing of the HD3800 series has opened up multiple cards for people who would have never have thought of it before.
A few people on a number of forums are contemplating canceling their 8800GT orders because they are now thinking maybe I can get 2 cards and crossfire.
A lot of people have new P35/38 motherboards and thanks to nVidia you can run a single nVidia card on them. No SLi! Might we see more people thinking about filling those extra Video card slots because of the HD3800 card family pricing?
Doing SLi using 8800GT would be great but right now that means dumping your new sexy P35/38 motherboard for a 680i board or wait for the new 780i boards (not whole lot of positive news on those yet) . The key thing is that you have to dump you current new boards using the P35/38 chipset.
The pricing of the HD3800 series has opened up multiple cards for people who would have never have thought of it before.
A few people on a number of forums are contemplating canceling their 8800GT orders because they are now thinking maybe I can get 2 cards and crossfire.
A lot of people have new P35/38 motherboards and thanks to nVidia you can run a single nVidia card on them. No SLi! Might we see more people thinking about filling those extra Video card slots because of the HD3800 card family pricing?
Doing SLi using 8800GT would be great but right now that means dumping your new sexy P35/38 motherboard for a 680i board or wait for the new 780i boards (not whole lot of positive news on those yet) . The key thing is that you have to dump you current new boards using the P35/38 chipset.
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http://geizhals.at/eu/a293844.html
HD3850 156€, down from the 171€ prices which appeared first
HD3870 spawned at 219€, but it's quite safe to assume it'll drop below 200€ when more prices surface
HD3850 156€, down from the 171€ prices which appeared first
HD3870 spawned at 219€, but it's quite safe to assume it'll drop below 200€ when more prices surface
8800GT bandwidth?
Yep. Reference clocks anyway.
Can I play too?
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