Huh, the vast majority of upgrading I've seen people go though is simply because their current hardware doesn't run whatever they play or would like to play as well as they would like it to, and they want to resolve that issue as soon as possible. I've watched that happen on the forum of pretty much every hot new game; people come in asking what to upgrades they need to get the game running smooth, look at the benchmarks, and then as soon as they can manage to acquire it, they do. Believing something significantly better is just around the corner can give them pause, but otherwise most people I've seen tend to just pick from what is on the market as long as will get their game running how they want it to.
So, do we know anything about RV670 yet?
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Remember though that (educated) enthusiasts are still a small % of the market. At most retail stoes, average joe will still go with what ever thats cheaper (price is king) and/or DX10.1 (
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I wonder if this design win had to do with cooling/heat/noise.:smile:
I hope we aren't seeing ATI settling into upper-midrange performance targets because that's what OEMs want most and what OEMs want most was certainly a large concern of the old ATI but apparently is nearly mantra-like at AMD these days.
Sure, I want them to make money too, and the big bucks are in the $150-$250 range. I just want them to make money and bid for performance leadership.
Probably too high an expectation for a refresh tho.
Sure, I want them to make money too, and the big bucks are in the $150-$250 range. I just want them to make money and bid for performance leadership.
Probably too high an expectation for a refresh tho.
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My quess:
hd3850 512mb 169$
hd3870 512mb 199$
hd3850 512mb 169$
hd3870 512mb 199$
Yeah. Price has been mentioned at $229-$249. The 256MB at $179-199.
Pretty impressive you found a pre-order for the MSRP, and not jacked up as is the norm.
Well, the rumored price on Rv670XT was $229-279 (Yeah, an oddly large spread). They may cut it down, but I doubt it. Even if they lose the performance race to the 8800gt they still have 10.1, size/heat/power/OEMs to fall back on. That being said, A nice $149-$200 spread for 3850 (256/512mb) - 3870 512MB would be a pretty enticing line up, and not entirely out of the question.
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I heard, that final prices are:
hd3850 256mb $199
hd3870 512mb $249
But I think, they will not stay long at these.
And D3D10.1 could not so be useless as some people think.
I heard shadow-algorithm of UE3 and maybe some other upcoming engines, will only work right under D3D10.1 with MSAA, because under D3D10 you could not read AA-samples from Z-buffer.
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I think the new naming scheme is a big hint that this is the direction they are going.
Something like ATI Radeon 3870 is easier to sell to large businesses and corporations than an ATI Radeon HD 3800 XTX. Things like GS/GT/GTS/GX/XT/XTX, etc. all appeal to younger people who feel that things like this denote an innate ability to go fast. Just look at the glut of cars in the 80's and 90's using those same monikers to appeal to a young crowd that wants to think they can go fast.
Also, looking at this release where the high end will follow the mid-range/performance mid-range by a few months. Almost a complete 180 from the past few years.
And this is most likely driven by AMD management feeling the pressure to return to profitability or at least come close. The best way to do that is to gain traction in the OEM market. If you can get contracts with multiple large OEM's, that'a guaranteed money in the pocket for however many units the contract calls for.
As opposed to retail market volatility. Where you may end up holding onto large quantities of stock if the product doesn't sell well.
IE - OEM market you have a target you know you have to meet ahead of time. Retail market, you take a big guess on how much you think you can sell and hope it's not too much or too little. Too much, and you have a lot of money sitting there depreciating. Too little, and you have to spend extra to try to ramp up production even more.
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I heard that you can force AA in UT3 on every GF8 out there with latest drivers.
Sure you can do this, because of NVs hack, but for example in BioShock some people reported red dots on some edges, because it works like I said not 100% correct.
It's from the TeamATi Forum... posted by ATi_Guy[TeamATi] here
http://www.teamati.com/showthread.php?t=4887
and the full PDF doc link here
DirectX 10.1, Enabling brakethrough graphic on the ATi Radeon HD 3800 series
PS. Thank to the INQ for speading news again
So does that document *finally* confirm DP for HD 3800 series? Specifically "increased precision for floating point operations"
does this mean 3800 will not have problem with AA like 2900 did?
A new feature of DirectX 10.1 allows all AA buffers to be accessed directly by shaders.Previously, it was only possible to access multi-sampled color buffers; it was impossible to access information from a depth buffer for each sample individually This allows developers to implement more advanced custom AA techniques using a combination of shaders and dedicated
hardware, much like ATI Radeon HD GPUs do today with CFAA.
A new feature of DirectX 10.1 allows all AA buffers to be accessed directly by shaders.Previously, it was only possible to access multi-sampled color buffers; it was impossible to access information from a depth buffer for each sample individually This allows developers to implement more advanced custom AA techniques using a combination of shaders and dedicated
hardware, much like ATI Radeon HD GPUs do today with CFAA.
