Silent Hill 4 pics

[notAFanB]

The big big big flaw of FF games is the character art, yes The Tecmo Dolls!! That turn many off, as the mindset of the more realistic, the better able to feel the ph33r. Im sure if Tecmo take out the girls of FF and replace them with Heather and do the quality cutscenes, FF can reach out to a wider audience.

for the last bloody time it's a choice they make on their renders! and it works perfectly fine for these 2 titles.

The OTHER thing is, the rotting rusty hellish places/enemies of SH seem to struck a cord better than the haunted ghostly villages of FF, with many. A grisly environment may gross people out, but well the whole thing still look like a game to me. ie NOT real enough to recreate real gross stuff to turn the stomach ImhO. Nothing wrongy, since no console/PC can do that today. So putting the game lead into such places, ALONE, is not enough for me. There has to be something else to heighten the frights. AND there is where the unpredicable evil ghosts of FF come in. Add the salt seaoning to the final dishes! YummY! SH monsters as "grisly looking"(ie NOT) as they are, are more like pale flour. Tasteless and useless, to do nothing to make it YummY.

For the last bloody time they have long moved away from that approach at horror. and your continual assertations that they must pushe inot in tothe realm of 'reality' is missing the point a little.

So it is NOT an ATMOSPHERE thing ImhO. The whole thingy is down to the VISUAL SETTINGS of the 2 games. The "cleaner"/"animey" like settings of FF are not likey to be love by some i guess.

Only in your skewed mind would you even think people can't apreciate differing form of (ahem, what might constitute) 'art'.

OH HO! The last thing, it too be like Tecmo arent likey to be associated with tEh cool games with PS2 crowd, unlike say, Konami. NOT they hatey Tecmo(mayB, mayB not) but some are more likey to look toward a Konami games than Tecmo, for some (un?)-known reasons.

it just you.

" OH HO! What? Konami announces a new game? Gotta check it out when its out! OH HO! Tecmo new game? Hmmm....i be waiting to see if i spot that in the bargain basement. "

the fact that you actually beleive that everyone goesot check out a new game like that is simply naive way to suport your own wild assertions.

WoW! That be long post man! I hope i get the points across.

indeed you did.

Games are still games, they be likey by some, not likey by others. Hope people give FF a chance, even tho the game may look "kiddy" compare to SH.

only in your biased mind could you project such insecuriies onto other whom freely enjoy the bloody thing!

 

[London Geezer]

Silly me.... And i thought preferences were based on personal taste...

FF (in Europe Project Zero) came out at a lower price point, like it happens sometimes. It never pretended to be high profile, Tecmo never expected it to compete with high profile games such as Silent Hill, therefore it's natural that the masses will be more interested in SH. It's natural.

Personally i'm waiting till i find it pre-owned, or at an even lower price, then i'll give it a try. I've played a bit of it and i wasn't really impressed with the gameplay, but hey i'm one of those who likes numbers over enemies heads, phoenix down's and ether's so what woould i know...

 

[Fafalada]

The big big big flaw of FF games is the character art, yes The Tecmo Dolls!!

I disagree, I think character art is the strongest point of the game graphics. The weakness to me is the lack of emoting in characters, mostly thanks to the facial animation - or lack of thereof to be exact.

So it is NOT an ATMOSPHERE thing ImhO. The whole thingy is down to the VISUAL SETTINGS of the 2 games. The "cleaner"/"animey" like settings of FF are not likey to be love by some i guess.

I fail to see how FF environments are animey. The lack of proper shadows is certainly not animey (most anime has very realistic shadows nowadays) and the texturing is often pretty realistic in FF.
What I've seen so far is mainly very very dark looking though - which creates a feeling of oppressive atmosphere in FF for me. SH has a much brighter look most of the time.

Also, I am of strong belief that Silent Hill is not relying exclusively on audio/visual cues for atmosphere - at least, that's what made part 2 great for me (I am still working my way through 3).

 

[chapban.]

You must be playing too much SH lately, to me i seen the "bloody" words amany!

for the last bloody time it's a choice they make on their renders! and it works perfectly fine for these 2 titles.

OF COZ its their choice, AND it works perfectly ImhO BUT you have seen many complaining about the Tecmo Dolls.

For the last bloody time they have long moved away from that approach at horror. and your continual assertations that they must pushe inot in tothe realm of 'reality' is missing the point a little.

what wgat wjat?

Only in your skewed mind would you even think people can't apreciate differing form of (ahem, what might constitute) 'art'.

Im not saying they ain appreciating, but some may feel a certain 'art' may fit a certain 'genre' better. You have seen complains.

it just you.

Possibly, but i can tell Konami is getting more ups than most, for first, becoz of their programming l333t.

the fact that you actually beleive that everyone goesot check out a new game like that is simply naive way to suport your own wild assertions.

MayB, mayB not, BUT why not? Some people are more excitedable by a certain devs than others.

only in your biased mind could you project such insecuriies onto other whom freely enjoy the bloody thing!

I think you need to cool down a bit. MayB my SH rant has once again gotten into you? It be hard to read what say of you? ANYHOW, i ain no insecure(are you?), i be just mentioning that ImhO, FF rocks. The biggest flaw is the art design. That be the hurdle of it.

I don see what so diff about FF/SH scare game design. The devs dump you into unknown creepy places, go through doors, have a torch, darken the place, misty the mist, fetch some items, solve a few puzzles, some talky cutscenes, throw eerie audio from somewhere, rumbling the controller, fake a few ph33r, manage your ammo and health items, have baddie monsters to clear, fight a few bosses etc.

The difference? ImhO, FF does it better!

 

[chapban.]

Hi Faf,

I disagree, I think character art is the strongest point of the game graphics. The weakness to me is the lack of emoting in characters, mostly thanks to the facial animation - or lack of thereof to be exact.

I PERSONALLY like the art. BUT well, yes lack of emotion is one thing BUT look at the dudes in FF, very rounded, very smooth, very bigger eyes. It IS quite unusual for an anime looking character to display realistic human expressions like Heather, who look more real world, easier to pass on the expressions and relate to.

FFX tried with expressions, and well, the best it seems ImhO, is Auron, who look less of a Dolly character than the rest. He still ain close to SH games. BUT good enuFF for the anime-ish artwork. No complains from me. YUP! Some credit be given to KCET for programing the skeletal animations or whacaca, but still it be hard to merge Heather like expressions with Tecmo girls. It just won work and the after effect won be as strong as the original. SO even if Tecmo does the more work with animations, the limits of anime artwork is still the factor. Hmm...i hope you get what me say...

fail to see how FF environments are animey. The lack of proper shadows is certainly not animey (most anime has very realistic shadows nowadays) and the texturing is often pretty realistic in FF.
What I've seen so far is mainly very very dark looking though - which creates a feeling of oppressive atmosphere in FF for me. SH has a much brighter look most of the time.

Also, I am of strong belief that Silent Hill is not relying exclusively on audio/visual cues for atmosphere - at least, that's what made part 2 great for me (I am still working my way through 3).

I think SH2 is great, the story and how it comes together, but less of the scare factor.

BUT first, FF environment make up of animey people. That be the major thing since where the important scenes are interacted with them. THEN the whole place is made up of oldie Japanesey design of which many Animes have such settings, that may not create an impact, on those non Anime watchers, as with SH modern places. Last, (as i said) FF cleaner and sharper than SH, more 'digital' looking if ya possible, which well, i think, less of a scare to others than the hellish places of SH.

 

[Fafalada]

BUT you have seen many complaining about the Tecmo Dolls.

Point me to evidence of "many" complaining about it and that affecting game's sales... be it reviews, public outcry, riots in front of TecmoMart, or sufficient amounts of hatemail from ex-Tecmo fans... ?

I don see what so diff about FF/SH scare game design.

I don't see any real diff between Halo2, HalfLife2, Doom3 and the other odd 150345 FPS games coming out in the near future either. Does that mean I must go and preach that to the fans of those titles now? -_-

 

[chapban.]

Hi Faf,

Point me to evidence of "many" complaining about it and that affecting game's sales... be it reviews, public outcry, riots in front of TecmoMart, or sufficient amounts of hatemail from ex-Tecmo fans... ?

Since i am posting in B3D, i be more talking about this place, not the worldwide yakyak.

I don't see any real diff between Halo2, HalfLife2, Doom3 and the other odd 150345 FPS games coming out in the near future either. Does that mean I must go and preach that to the fans of those titles now? -_-

I am not preaching, what good will i get for preaching? BUT since there starts a discussion about the 2 titles here, i feel i may give MY bit of what i feel of the flaws of both games.

 

[notAFanB]

You must be playing too much SH lately, to me i seen the "bloody" words amany!

attack by association huh....nice.

OF COZ its their choice, AND it works perfectly ImhO BUT you have seen many complaining about the Tecmo Dolls.

and?

what wgat wjat?

piddle poddle

Im not saying they ain appreciating, but some may feel a certain 'art' may fit a certain 'genre' better. You have seen complains.

then they are limited their experice to narrow line. oh, and so what if they complain? aren't you complaing in your rant????

Possibly, but i can tell Konami is getting more ups than most, for first, becoz of their programming l333t.

horsesht, while it's true they have a couple of interesting using for old tech, your just reenforcing sht to fit your own perverse agenda again.

MayB, mayB not, BUT why not? Some people are more excitedable by a certain devs than others.

first assert that it could be then take that assertion and run with it all the while not even bothing to explore the other point of view.

take your sterotypes elsewhere.

I think you need to cool down a bit. MayB my SH rant has once again gotten into you? It be hard to read what say of you? ANYHOW, i ain no insecure(are you?), i be just mentioning that ImhO, FF rocks. The biggest flaw is the art design. That be the hurdle of it.

The FACT that you really believe that you could 'fix' an issue which is NOT EVEN WIDELY AGREED UPON gives the impression of an egotisicle prck whom disect an discussoin merely by ignore most points and sidetracking into nowhere land.

Oh and of course I'm insecure you halfwit, why do you think I am here?

I don see what so diff about FF/SH scare game design. The devs dump you into unknown creepy places, go through doors, have a torch, darken the place, misty the mist, fetch some items, solve a few puzzles, some talky cutscenes, throw eerie audio from somewhere, rumbling the controller, fake a few ph33r, manage your ammo and health items, have baddie monsters to clear, fight a few bosses etc.

because FF has 'scare design'? now your just making sht up.

stpo pointing out the difference s between the 2 titles dimissing it and then using to prop up your Bullsht, it's gurgling.

The difference? ImhO, FF does it better!

oo an appeal to subjectively, nice.

BUT first, FF environment make up of animey people. That be the major thing since where the important scenes are interacted with them. THEN the whole place is made up of oldie Japanesey design of which many Animes have such settings, that may not create an impact, on those non Anime watchers, as with SH modern places.

HOLY ********!!!

 

[London Geezer]

Hi Faf,

Point me to evidence of "many" complaining about it and that affecting game's sales... be it reviews, public outcry, riots in front of TecmoMart, or sufficient amounts of hatemail from ex-Tecmo fans... ?

Since i am posting in B3D, i be more talking about this place, not the worldwide yakyak.

I don't see any real diff between Halo2, HalfLife2, Doom3 and the other odd 150345 FPS games coming out in the near future either. Does that mean I must go and preach that to the fans of those titles now? -_-

I am not preaching, what good will i get for preaching? BUT since there starts a discussion about the 2 titles here, i feel i may give MY bit of what i feel of the flaws of both games.

You have expressed what you feel about FF compared to SH in more than one thread, including threads created by you.

 

[chapban.]

Sorry notAfanB, seems like you are real strong in The Force of SH. You sound pretty upset and incoherent. I guess i am not going to reply until calm yourself down from the insults. I don wana be playing the poor scapegoat for B3D forums troubles again.

 

[notAFanB]

Sorry notAfanB, seems like you are real strong in The Force of SH. You sound pretty upset and incoherent. I guess i am not going to reply until calm yourself down from the insults. I don wana be playing the poor scapegoat for B3D forums troubles again.

so now your claiming that I've gone insane?(not that that's not close mind you) AND associating ti negatively to both push your pathethic agenda dn insult me?


feh

 

[Fafalada]

BUT well, yes lack of emotion is one thing BUT look at the dudes in FF, very rounded, very smooth, very bigger eyes. It IS quite unusual for an anime looking character to display realistic human expressions like Heather, who look more real world, easier to pass on the expressions and relate to.

Maybe that's YOUR impression, but it couldn't be farther from the truth. Every single animated Disney cartoon prooves that no matter how ridiculously different a character may look (even if it's an inanimate object) - good animators will not only make it look very alive and capable of expression emotion, but also have resemblance to human features on some level that will appeal to the viewer.
I am also familiar enough with anime and manga to tell you with certainty that anime characters don't impose limitations on expressing emotion either.

It just won work and the after effect won be as strong as the original. SO even if Tecmo does the more work with animations, the limits of anime artwork is still the factor. Hmm...i hope you get what me say...

I get what you're saying, but I disagree wholeheartedly. Actually going by this I am under impression that you yourself believe the stereotypes you accuse other people of (like biases against animey doll art).

I think SH2 is great, the story and how it comes together, but less of the scare factor.

Fair enough - but you have to note the scare factor is wildly individual thing, and matter of personal tastes. Especially with SH2's psychological angle (Eg. I think Juon is one of the scariest movies I've ever seen, my friend thinks it was bad because there was no buckets of blood in it).

Since i am posting in B3D, i be more talking about this place, not the worldwide yakyak.

Well you've claimed that people not liking Tecmo dolls is affecting sales of the game. Do you think B3D alone has that much influence?

 

[chapban.]

Hi Faf,

Every single animated Disney cartoon prooves that no matter how ridiculously different a character may look (even if it's an inanimate object) - good animators will not only make it look very alive and capable of expression emotion, but also have resemblance to human features on some level that will appeal to the viewer.

Well it IS Disney for one. Cartoons are cartoons, as good as they are, i say a realistic design does more for fear than cutesy anime for tEh horror.

Actually going by this I am under impression that you yourself believe the stereotypes you accuse other people of (like biases against animey doll art).

I am not biased or accussing other of bias, BUT as i said, certain 'art' suit certain 'genre'. I am fine FF art, but i think it can be better ph33r if the character are less cutesy and, like you said, more animated. More people may be attracted to try/play/complete the game than what they see of Tecmo school girlies. I say, if you take Sam Fisher, give him big saucer eyes and round clean face with less proportionate figure, i be sure the super-sneaker-spy will have less impact on others, than what he is today.

Fair enough - but you have to note the scare factor is wildly individual thing, and matter of personal tastes. Especially with SH2's psychological angle (Eg. I think Juon is one of the scariest movies I've ever seen, my friend thinks it was bad because there was no buckets of blood in it).

SH2 ImhO is the true tops of the tops of the SH world. It truly brings out the thingAr of this supernatural phenomena of alternate sinful worlds. Truly fits the theme of SH and the creatures that inhibit it. SH1(a brief play) and SH3 are quite the "standard" horror stuff.

BUT back to point, i ain trying to impose my tastes on others. As i said, there be such discussions, i just be pitting my thoughts on the flaws of SH/FF ImhO.

Well you've claimed that people not liking Tecmo dolls is affecting sales of the game. Do you think B3D alone has that much influence?

Hmmm... i never say the Tecmo Dolls are affecting worldsales, B3D here or not. Just that, I feel several here will reciprocate the game better with a more realistic design overhaul.