S3 Graphics Chrome 400 Series Graphics Processors

[TimothyFarrar]

Arun still seems awfully quite on this. Someone, anyone, have some arch details?

 

[AnarchX]

scheme:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1137307&postcount=25

It seemed to have one Quad-TMU:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,6...805278&article_id=639340&page=1&show=original

Z-fill be known soon.

 

[TimothyFarrar]

I was referring to details on the shader units themselves....

 

[AnarchX]

Big review with many information about architecture:
http://translate.google.ch/translat...schnitt_einleitung&sl=de&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

 

[AnarchX]

Nobody interested in non-ATi/NV-archictectures? Or do you have problems with automatic translation?

Here are some picked in my opionion interesting poinst:
- 196M transitors @ 65nm made at TSMC, not like former GPU at Fujitsu

- 4 TMUs with full speed FP32 filtering

- only 1 ROP, but able to push out 4 pixel and 16 Z per clock, one-cylce-4xMSAA

- final shader-domain frequency is supposed to be 1.2GHz

- 32 ALUs which are able about 1 MADD and 1 SF per clock, but there were told these are no scalar units, but vector units, which gives even with Vec2 > 100 GFLOPs
(under D3DRighmark Beta 4 version and D3D10 VS and GS tests it seem that D3 can reach this performance -> up to 6-times 8400 GS performance)


So S3 seems to be able to make still state-of-art architectures and with more money and maybe better managment they should be able to be competitive in more than just low-end.
Lets hope that they keep their promise for 2009 and we will see a midrange-part, maybe be on hyped 40nm process paired with GDDR5.

 

[INKster]

The problem with S3 is not with the hardware alone. It's mostly their awful driver support.

 

[RejZoR]

I really don't care for high end, if they can make a very competetive mid range card and good low end cards they can earn more $$$ than by putting out high end cards that are expensive to produce and are targeted at very limited market. Reviewers and ppl will advertise them by themself if they're good, no need to release super high end just to prove you can make the fastest card for next 3 months, because after that competitor will again release something faster anyway... mid range cards on the other hand are made to last.
S3 has potential but i'm not sure if they know that...

 

[Scali]

Nobody interested in non-ATi/NV-archictectures?

I'm interested in all architectures, including Intel and S3.
But for me it's mostly theoretical, they are generally not the kind of cards I will buy myself...
Aside from performance generally being low, there are also problems like driver support and availability.
So far ATi is the only company that ever escaped the low-performance buggy driver circle and managed to become competitive with nVidia.
S3 has potential with this design, but can they turn it into a success in the marketplace aswell?
I'm also eagerly awaiting Intel's Larrabee demonstration... let's see if they can get a piece of the pie.

 

[phixcoco]

Big review with many information about architecture:
http://translate.google.ch/translat...schnitt_einleitung&sl=de&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

great review!!

Nobody interested in non-ATi/NV-archictectures? Or do you have problems with automatic translation?

Here are some picked in my opionion interesting poinst:
- 196M transitors @ 65nm made at TSMC, not like former GPU at Fujitsu

I'm sure it's manufactured at Fujitsu...not TSMC.

- final shader-domain frequency is supposed to be 1.2GHz

that high??

 

[AnarchX]

I'm sure it's manufactured at Fujitsu...not TSMC.

Look at the die, there you can clearly read "Taiwan".

 

[itaru]

http://www.s3graphics.com/en/pressroom/pressrelease/2008/S3GPR080530GStore440GTX.jsp

News Release
More Hi-Def Bang for Your Buck with S3 Graphics' Chrome 440 GTX
Chrome 440 GTX graphics card offers improved gaming performance and
Dual-Stream Hi-Def video with the latest GDDR3 memory for under $70

http://www.s3graphics.com/en/products/chrome_440gtx/

 

[Kaotik]

Look at the die, there you can clearly read "Taiwan".

I'm not 100% sure, but I think Fujitsu has plants in Taiwan aswell?

 

[itaru]

http://translate.google.com/transla...putex03/index.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8

Notebook PC as a platform for development, Nano processor "Trinity" also published on the platform.
CPU GPU chipset is VIA made all three from this that it's the name of the board
of Nano's 1.8 GHz processor, single-chip VX800, S3 Graphics's "Chrome 440 ULP"
with the operation demo That would take place.

 

[RejZoR]

Looks promising. Any benchmarks of Chrome 400 GTX ?

 

[itaru]

http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=404142&page=19

 

[RejZoR]

Hm, my german is a bit rusty. What can be compared performance wise to 440 GTX ?

 

[itaru]

440GTX
geometry shader performance is very good !!
stream out performance ?

 

[RejZoR]

Wow, not bad at all. Any possible comparison in something real (like games)?
I'd like to see how it performs there compared to this Radeon card (HD3850 maybe?)

 

[AlexV]

Wow, not bad at all. Any possible comparison in something real (like games)?
I'd like to see how it performs there compared to this Radeon card (HD3850 maybe?)

It's not aimed at the 3850, so it probably wouldn't fare all that well.

 

[itaru]

Because TMU and ROP are important by a real game, 440GTX will be slow.
What you should pay attention to is geometry shader performance here

As you know, as for GPU of ATI R600, geometry shader is fast.
But 440GTX is faster.