Wii can't get much cheaper!
You can buy a PS2 for $100 in US dollars. I'd say it can get quite a bit cheaper.
Rumor: Slim PS3 on the way?
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You can buy a PS2 for $100 in US dollars. I'd say it can get quite a bit cheaper.
ShadowRunner
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You can buy a PS2 for $100 in US dollars. I'd say it can get quite a bit cheaper.
I think he ment the wii cant get much cheeper to make/manufacture than it already is
Indeed. Shrinking the die from miniscule to sub miniscule is going to be a saving of...miniscule amount!
Heh I never really thought of that, but now that you mentioned it yeah the CPU can't get any smaller because it's pad limited? Of course the GPU can shrink a bit more but IBM doesn't manufacture that component.
Silent_Buddha
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So basically just the normal ramp for the holiday season and people are making a big deal out of it?
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SB
There are:
* Videos and pictures of Slim hardware from various unofficial and not-so-credible sources
* Report on possible 45nm Cell ramp up in East Fishkill
* Report on other commodity component production ramp up (That last article above)
* SCEE organizing a press briefing in August (or is it Sept ?)
It points to a possible new SKU release since I think 80Gb PS3 uses 65nm Cell. Whether and when it's a slim model is a separate question altogether.
* Videos and pictures of Slim hardware from various unofficial and not-so-credible sources
* Report on possible 45nm Cell ramp up in East Fishkill
* Report on other commodity component production ramp up (That last article above)
* SCEE organizing a press briefing in August (or is it Sept ?)
It points to a possible new SKU release since I think 80Gb PS3 uses 65nm Cell. Whether and when it's a slim model is a separate question altogether.
Silent_Buddha
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That's true. Although it's hard to say how much they need to ramp without knowing actual inventory levels. There's just as much possibility that production during Q2 of this year was ramped down due to lower than expected demand in which case Q3 would need to be ramped up regardless.
45nm rumors certainly do indicate something coming. Probably a PS3 Slim, although could also be a cost reduced PS3. But yeah, I'd go with PS3 Slim before I went with another cost reduced PS3.
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SB
DuckThor Evil
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Slim would be another cost reduced PS3 + 45nm would bring cost reductions to PS3 in any case...
Silent_Buddha
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Usually true, but I'm not expecting Sony to reduce the price on the PS3. Even for the Slim. BTW - I should have clarificed cost reduced when I said it to refer to consumer price of console not manufacturer price.
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SB
Slim model is more a margin growing than a reduce price product.
A slim would be a cost reduced PS3. Whether or not the reduction makes it to the retail price immediately is a different question, but it has to be soon based on Sony's forecast.
Do expect a $400 PS3 forever?
You can't grow what you don't have.
Anyway 45nm fabrication has been on the horizon for a while, as Patsu pointed out in that excellent B3D piece!
The Slim itself, whether in existence now or later, is just the packaging of the components that would drop in expense whether or not they were presented in an improved form-factor, though the form factor itself is an improvement in the expense of said plastic packaging (nominal). We've had variations on this discussion before, with people stating that Sony will be able to lower costs when a new slimmer revision launches; that's the inverse of what the truth is though, which is that Sony will be able to launch a revised form-factor once the component costs have lowered, assuming there the explicit link between heat/die cost/die size/mainboard considerations.
To go back to the beginning of the thought though, for myself, firstly I've always been of the stance "they'll lower it when they can," and have often argued against the imminence or even ability to have a price cut when the previous rumors have swirled.
Here though, I do think there will be a price cut before the year is through; via a feature/model upgrade they could justify price continuance, but... I will place my chips on the price cut square for this one. And it means I think they will still be making a loss on each unit sold as well, but there's enough brewing now that I think Sony may be inclined to expand its penetration via the angle of: 'PS3, it's what's still missing in your entertainment setup...'
Silent_Buddha
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I agree it would be a good time to cut the price. Also if they wish to come even remotely close to their prediction of shipping 30% more PS3's than 2008, they don't really have a choice.
I'm still not sure the company is on firm enough financial grounds to weather a cost cut if it doesn't result in quite significant movement of software and accessories.
And since I personally don't think the world economy is going to be much better this winter than it is currently, I guess I have a rather dim view of that happening for any of the console makers.
Regards,
SB
Silent_Buddha
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Either to the original PS3 or in reference to PS3 Slim being lower priced than the PS3 it would presumably replace.
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SB
Naughty Dog, Insomniac and Sucker Punch all worked on new adult IPs as their first projects. I think they and Sony decided a $400-$600 console would have an older audience, so the new IPs made sense (and were all great). Now we have Eye Pet, Mod Nation Racer and Free Realms coming soon, that might hint at a $299 PS3. Just a thought.
I think the Sucker Punch guys said this specifically about why they did Infamous and not Sly 4.
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