dubyateeeff
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therealskywolf said:
Yay, 3MB of GPU memory. Someone is having fun with IGN. Wait, didnt they just yesterday say the third party sources didnt have info on the GPU?
Revolution Tech Details Emerge ( Xbox1+ performance, 128 MB RAM )
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Yay, 3MB of GPU memory. Someone is having fun with IGN. Wait, didnt they just yesterday say the third party sources didnt have info on the GPU?
mckmas8808
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Joe DeFuria said:
No trust me Joe as far as hardware is concerned this is horrible.
Didn't read the whole article until now
If true we can conclude that the eDRAM is just Flipper's, and it would be used for GC BC only.
Sure it could be used for the Rev games, but how would they work around the 1MB buffer for the textures and the Framebuffer not being able to handle a 480p 32bits buffer C+Z+MSAA? There might also be some framebuffer compression tech in the GPU, though.
Well, if they kept only 3MB for the eDRAM, they probably decided to render to the main RAM directly, when rendering Rev games.
eDRAM?IGN said:
If true we can conclude that the eDRAM is just Flipper's, and it would be used for GC BC only.
Sure it could be used for the Rev games, but how would they work around the 1MB buffer for the textures and the Framebuffer not being able to handle a 480p 32bits buffer C+Z+MSAA? There might also be some framebuffer compression tech in the GPU, though.
Well, if they kept only 3MB for the eDRAM, they probably decided to render to the main RAM directly, when rendering Rev games.
You might also remember that thoses specs were simply fan wishes. They just took PS2 specs and doubled everything.Megadrive1988 said:
dubyateeeff
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Alstrong said:
Or textures
Unless it is an UMA design in which case it shouldnt have those 3 MB in the first place.What about 480p
Joe DeFuria
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mckmas8808 said:
No, trust me Sony fan, for $149 or less, with "only twice" the game cube in terms of power, and fully backward compatible with nintendo's library of games.....
I'll be getting one. Though it would be somewhat contingent on the pricing of the older games.
So, from where I'm sitting...the only console that won't likely be in my own house is the PS3.
This isn't a bash on the PS3...it's just how it shakes out for me and my household.
mckmas8808
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Joe DeFuria said:
Oh so now I'm a Sony fan huh? Is it because I think 104 GBs of ram is too little for a next-gen system? Is it because so far the Revolution will be 2 times as fast as a Gamecube?
Just think about it, I do have a valid reason to say 104 GBs of ram is small.
Readykilowatt
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Where are the Revolution's specs? I still dont see them.
I'm hoping for more power than this . HOpefully the clockspeeds will end up putting it with more power .
I dunno , to me it seems like this system should be launching at 100$ and if it doesn't i will be disapointed. The only thing i can think of is that in 2 years we get a portable version of this .
I dunno , to me it seems like this system should be launching at 100$ and if it doesn't i will be disapointed. The only thing i can think of is that in 2 years we get a portable version of this .
mckmas8808 said:Oh so now I'm a Sony fan huh? Is it because I think 104 GBs of ram is too little for a next-gen system? Is it because so far the Revolution will be 2 times as fast as a Gamecube?
Just think about it, I do have a valid reason to say 104 GBs of ram is small.
Hmm i dunno , 104GBs of ram is crazy high. More than your ps3 .
Anyway seriously , if its doing 640x480p then a 104 isn't bad. Would have liked 128 megs but whatever. I will be mostly playing my old school nes games on it .
However i wont buy it till it hits 100$
Joe DeFuria
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mckmas8808 said:
Um, yes. (And it's perfectly fine to be a fan BTW....just don't let it get in the way your judgement.)
As I (and Nintendo, and the article authors) said...it's too little to directly compete with MS and Sony in terms of graphical power.
No one denies this.
Nintendo is not directly competing with Sony / MS. "2X the Gamecube" is plenty enough given Nintendo's apparent plans for the machine. I'm not saying that ultimately, Nintendo's plan will succeed...it may or may not.
These is really no sense, just put a VMX unit in the gekko and is performance would blow away the 2x the gekko, are they really talking about the console or the dev kits 
(is 2x the GC comparable to next gen in no HDTV? no, or even more than XB with more memory?hardly), I hope if true it is better to be 99$.
Would a flipper upgraded to DX9 shaders (till now the only official word from ATI about specs) be any good ? I prefer not belive in these specs as Almasy said they are to pathetic, I will wait till official word from Nintendo (I hope they are not true).
(is 2x the GC comparable to next gen in no HDTV? no, or even more than XB with more memory?hardly), I hope if true it is better to be 99$.Would a flipper upgraded to DX9 shaders (till now the only official word from ATI about specs) be any good ? I prefer not belive in these specs as Almasy said they are to pathetic, I will wait till official word from Nintendo (I hope they are not true).
From what Nintendo mentioned earlier, their machine would look comparable on standard definition, however, these specs, regardless of the HD factor, will make for some very noticeable differences, especially when compared to PS3, and that´s putting it nicely.
I do not believe this will be a success, Nintendo does not have the market to itself unlike the portable market, so it´s going to be a very tough job for them to sell a machine that comes from the manufacturer with the least ammount of mindshare, least ammount of support, that has graphics that will be hardly differentiable from this gen´s and with an alien control mechanism.
I do not believe this will be a success, Nintendo does not have the market to itself unlike the portable market, so it´s going to be a very tough job for them to sell a machine that comes from the manufacturer with the least ammount of mindshare, least ammount of support, that has graphics that will be hardly differentiable from this gen´s and with an alien control mechanism.
ok, i think i'll actually take mckmas8808's advice and start thinking positively.
so what are the rumors we have so far.
ok, of the above basically a couple of things don't quite meet my original expectations, namely the cpu and the video memory pool size. i did expect a more vanilla desktop-style cpu, say a gekko-lized 7450, at ~1GHz -.something. those are quite neat, and i'm not sure i can see what advantages the original gekko may have other than the improved clock scalability of the newer G4 would've been unused anyway. then again i'm not a ppc expert. anyway, there's one major reason i can see for putting in an upped gekko and that's that a gekko-lized G4 would have been a potential source of GC compatibility issues. bottomline for the cpu - my expectations may have been rather unsubstatiated ; )
video memory pool. ok, i'm purely puzzled here. put one 32bit back buffer in there, and a 32bit depth+stencil buffer and there go 2.4MB of your pool. would ~.5MB be sufficient for the virtual texturing of flipper? well i guess they would, but still i'm sceptical towards this bit of the rumors
everything else of the rumored specs is totally expected. no, i did not really expect more than 128MB of RAM, though i may have wished for 256, but traditionally nintendo have always preferred the better mem to the more mem.
ok, let's see what the above may offer to me (i'd say us all console gamers, but as i know some people would not touch a 'kiddy console' with a ten feet pole, i let you decide for yourself):
ok, the above alone can make me get a revolution*
* capcom, i beg you, in the name of your firstborn, make a revolution version of the next RE
so what are the rumors we have so far.
- cpu:
gekko-class, ~2x perormance (not clear whether it's purely the clock or both clock and improved caching efficiency)
- gpu:
flipper-class (wild speculation), no idea how it compares performance-wise to the original (aside from the fact that it is better), 3MB local pool, 1MB upped from flipper (that's rather dubious but anyway)
- mem:
same kick-ass 1t-sram, 4x the original
- medium
8.5G dual-layered DVD (or the likes)
ok, of the above basically a couple of things don't quite meet my original expectations, namely the cpu and the video memory pool size. i did expect a more vanilla desktop-style cpu, say a gekko-lized 7450, at ~1GHz -.something. those are quite neat, and i'm not sure i can see what advantages the original gekko may have other than the improved clock scalability of the newer G4 would've been unused anyway. then again i'm not a ppc expert. anyway, there's one major reason i can see for putting in an upped gekko and that's that a gekko-lized G4 would have been a potential source of GC compatibility issues. bottomline for the cpu - my expectations may have been rather unsubstatiated ; )
video memory pool. ok, i'm purely puzzled here. put one 32bit back buffer in there, and a 32bit depth+stencil buffer and there go 2.4MB of your pool. would ~.5MB be sufficient for the virtual texturing of flipper? well i guess they would, but still i'm sceptical towards this bit of the rumors
everything else of the rumored specs is totally expected. no, i did not really expect more than 128MB of RAM, though i may have wished for 256, but traditionally nintendo have always preferred the better mem to the more mem.
ok, let's see what the above may offer to me (i'd say us all console gamers, but as i know some people would not touch a 'kiddy console' with a ten feet pole, i let you decide for yourself):
- price - check
- unconditional total backward compatibility with the GC - check
- possibly the easiest platform to develop for in the next gen - check
- no suffering from the 'first generation of games for the new platform' syndrome - check.
ok, the above alone can make me get a revolution*
* capcom, i beg you, in the name of your firstborn, make a revolution version of the next RE
mckmas8808
Legend
Joe DeFuria said:
First and foremost Nintendo is directly competing with Sony and MS. You, I, and every normal person with a clue knows this. The second the Revolution sells millions more than the PS3, Nintendo will be mentioning it over and over.
And if Nintendo isn't competing against Sony and MS then how are they competing against? Why would they ever bring up Sony and MS when talking about next-gen? So for know on they should never repeat dimenishing returns, videogame only, our competitors, etc.
DuckThor Evil
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mckmas8808 said:Oh so now I'm a Sony fan huh? Is it because I think 104 GBs of ram is too little for a next-gen system? Is it because so far the Revolution will be 2 times as fast as a Gamecube?
Just think about it, I do have a valid reason to say 104 GBs of ram is small.
Mckmas it's megabytes
Anyways...
I was expecting low specks, but, but 2x Cube....
Heh I quess all that talk about Dual Core G5s and R520/ppu in the size of 3 dvd cases is going to stop right about now. I don't know for 149$ it's not too expensive, but count me out anyways.
Megadrive1988
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I must admit, even I am surprised that Revolution might have *less* GPU power than the R300 ~ Radeon 9700, and a CPU that's barely 2x Gekko.
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