Revolution Tech Details Emerge ( Xbox1+ performance, 128 MB RAM )

[mckmas8808]

So some people are actually happy to hear this news? I can see why some are happy about the supposed price, but the system specs really do suck. Lets just be honest here. Now a $99 new console is something that has never happened and can be a huge reason why the Rev might be a great idea.

 

[fearsomepirate]

Crap. I have nothing to say. I expected more than just a double-clocked Gamecube with an improved variant of the PPC 750. I mean...come on...at least give us vertex shaders! Those specs blow, and I say that as a fanboi.

OTOH, I paid $150 for a DS and didn't mind. The thing is that Revo will be dead 3 years after launch when Xbox 360 costs $150, unless they want the thing to be on a 3-year life cycle.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

First and foremost Nintendo is directly competing with Sony and MS. You, I, and every normal person with a clue knows this. The second the Revolution sells millions more than the PS3, Nintendo will be mentioning it over and over.

I will repeat this part for you, with some emphasis added again:

As I (and Nintendo, and the article authors) said...it's too little to directly compete with MS and Sony in terms of graphical power.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

What about 99, or just buy the remote to play in the GC it would make thinghs much easier.

I must say that for me cheap price is not at the top of my list, sure 99$ would be attractive price, but I'm too much in a shock right now to think clearly about this...

 

[Joe DeFuria]

So some people are actually happy to hear this news?

I'll tell you what would make me happy:

$99 to $149 launch price, play entire back catalog of Nintendo games, add in new games that make use of the controller, with graphics that are better than current gen machines.

That's what I want in a console that is a compliment to my "graphics powerhose" (be it a 360 or PS3).

I can see why some are happy about the supposed price, but the system specs really do suck. Lets just be honest here. Now a $99 new console is something that has never happened and can be a huge reason why the Rev might be a great idea.

The reality is, at $99 to $149 for a brand new console, what would anyone expect? I've been telling this to Nintendo fans for the past several months. Don't expect it to compare with PS3 / 360. The size (and inferred power consumption) and price dictates that it won't have the same graphical prowess.

It does improve on last gen, which is all you can expect.

I am not "happy" or "sad" at these rumors. It is only confirmation of pretty much exactly what I expected it to be....which is a good thing.

 

[pc999]

I must say that for me cheap price is not at the top of my list, sure 99$ would be attractive price, but I'm too much in a shock right now to think clearly about this...

I understand you, I m too.

 

[boltneck]

Nintendo is, I mean, really screwing up.

They are going head to head with PS2 in Japan weather they like it or not. Ask Sega if having a lower Price and nifty features (online game play a year before anyone else) will sell your console.

This is really stacking up like another one of their hopelessly flawed Gimmick driven ideas like the 3D gizmo from the early 90's.

Honestly, I know some of you are die hard Nintendo fans.. but think about it.

-Handhelds
-tiny old school handhelds
-Consoles

Thats what you have. There is no other market currently for something that is in between a handheld and a next gen console for Cheap money. What developer other than Nintendo is going to create some completely custom game for them?? When all the money will be in supporting 360 and PS3 as they will be pretty easy to port between 98% of the time.

I just cant understand the ideology behind thinking a Controller is going to sell you millions of Psudo next gen Consoles. Especially when the Controller is not even that attractive. You don’t even know if people really will dig using it or not, or if it will just become bothersome.

That controller is like a Light Gun or a Dance Pad. Its a cool idea for playing some specific games, but who wants to wave their arm around for 6+ hours playing Mario or Zelda?

I would like to see an honest unbiased post from the Nintendo Crowd. With this newer info, how can you really be excited about this compared to PS3 or 360?

I guess if its dirt Cheap a lot of people will buy it just to check out the novelty of it. Who knows it might stick. I just don’t see Games being very impressive against the big guns 2 years from now.

Do you?

 

[mckmas8808]

I'll tell you what would make me happy:

$99 to $149 launch price, play entire back catalog of Nintendo games, add in new games that make use of the controller, with graphics that are better than current gen machines.

That's what I want in a console that is a compliment to my "graphics powerhose" (be it a 360 or PS3).



The reality is, at $99 to $149 for a brand new console, what would anyone expect? I've been telling this to Nintendo fans for the past several months. Don't expect it to compare with PS3 / 360. The size (and inferred power consumption) and price dictates that it won't have the same graphical prowess.

It does improve on last gen, which is all you can expect.

I am not "happy" or "sad" at these rumors. It is only confirmation of pretty much exactly what I expected it to be....which is a good thing.

Perfect post Joe.

I swear I've never seen a better post from you. You and me have never ever agreed on one thing, but your last post is darn near perfect. The only thing I have beef with is the supposed $99. That price would be lower than the current DS. How in the world can they justify a $99 next-gen console and a $129 handheld?

 

[fearsomepirate]

This thing could have been a lot better. I mean there's a mobile version of the X800 out, and we're getting an overclocked 2001 GPU? This is crap. Absolute. Total. Crap. I mean, we'll be lucky to even see normal mapping in games. It's like they didn't even consult any engineers and just told them "Make us a faster Gamecube!" Gosh, at least we'll still get tons of stuff using Renderware and the Jade engine!

 

[mckmas8808]

I would like to see an honest unbiased post from the Nintendo Crowd. With this newer info, how can you really be excited about this compared to PS3 or 360?

I guess if its dirt Cheap a lot of people will buy it just to check out the novelty of it. Who knows it might stick. I just don’t see Games being very impressive against the big guns 2 years from now.

Do you?

Check Joe's last post. It will be bought only for Nintendo games, BC (that you have to pay for), and games that heavily support the controller.

 

[Ty]

First and foremost Nintendo is directly competing with Sony and MS. You, I, and every normal person with a clue knows this. The second the Revolution sells millions more than the PS3, Nintendo will be mentioning it over and over.

mckmas8808, you're missing the important part in Joe's earlier statement.

it's too little to directly compete with MS and Sony in terms of graphical power

Sure Nintendo is competing about Sony & MS but NOT graphically. Yes, in the grand scheme of things they most certainly are adversaries but as most of us thought a long time ago (those of us sane enough to believe that Revolution would NOT be in the same ball park as X360/PS3), Nintendo is choosing the let the 2 800lb gorillas fight it out for graphical supremacy.

They are instead choosing to go on a unique and innovative route that may just succeed wildly (or fail completely if the games turn out not to be compelling enough.)

So some people are actually happy to hear this news? I can see why some are happy about the supposed price, but the system specs really do suck. Lets just be honest here. Now a $99 new console is something that has never happened and can be a huge reason why the Rev might be a great idea.

I don't think anyone is really cheering over this (after all, this is a heavily techie oriented board and those rumored specs have got to be disappointing to all) but it hardly means the end of Nintendo. If anything it simply clarifies what their game plan is. Keep it simple and clean.

I've been telling this to Nintendo fans for the past several months. Don't expect it to compare with PS3 / 360. The size (and inferred power consumption) and price dictates that it won't have the same graphical prowess.

Hah. Where were you several months ago? Some of us tried in vain to proffer that same POV to no avail.

Edit - saw Joe's post after and editted in a new response...

 

[Farid]

The a 2xGekko CPU, based on the ol' 750CXe core, part is actually the one that is really hard to believe. I mean... That would be almost irrational if true.

 

[boltneck]

oh,

My above post is based on the new information i read in that linked article.

There is a big difference between doubling the clock speed of gamecube hardware and at least putting some Dx9 level hardware on board. Not even having any shaders?

Thats just crazy.

Well, if anyone could pull it off its them

 

[mckmas8808]

The a 2xGekko CPU, based on the ol' 750CXe core, part is actually the one that is really hard to believe. I mean... That would be almost irrational if true.

Now Vysez I know you can answer this. Will the Revolution be able to bring us the physics that we have been talking about and wanting the past 5 or some months?

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Perfect post Joe.

I swear I've never seen a better post from you.

You should visit the politcal forum. On second thought...

You and me have never ever agreed on one thing, but your last post is darn near perfect. The only thing I have beef with is the supposed $99. That price would be lower than the current DS. How in the world can they justify a $99 next-gen console and a $129 handheld?

$99 does sound a bit too aggressive to me, I would expect closer to $149 myself at launch.

I'm sure the hand-held prices will come down a bit next year. But still, these are different yet complimentary markets (hand-held and home). No inherent reason why they can't be similar prices. The current GC is only $99...doesn't sound completely unreasonable for a console with "twice the power" to be the same price one year later. (Rather than the GC for sub $99 next year).

Again, to the select "disappointed" Nintendo fans....the sooner you accept the reality the better. If you're hoping for "phenominal grapics power", the Revolution isn't going to be it. This doesn't mean Revolution can't or won't be a great console. But if you judge a console's greatness by graphics power, you're going to have to look toward MS and Sony to fill that particular desire.

 

[jvd]

I still can't believe this .


It really makes very little sense to me .


The gamecube costs less than 100$ to produce right now and I believe the neither the gekko or flipper were die shrunk to 90nm .

So what they are saying here is that in 4 years they can only build a system twice as powerfull or slightly more powerfull than a xbox ?

I dunno but I would expect taht they could have gone to intel and gotten some cheap p4 3ghz that would be a vast improvement over the 700mhz celron . ALso a x600 should be leaps and bounds faster than the nv20a .

So i really don't get these rumors . Perhaps they are just alpha kits that are clocked a bit higher for early development ?

 

[fearsomepirate]

I wasn't looking for phenomenal. I was looking for...I don't know...something modern. You know, like a DX9 part tweaked for budget efficiency. A somewhat advanced PPC architecture clocked at a modest speed. Not a freaking overclocked Gamecube.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Check Joe's last post. It will be bought only for Nintendo games, BC (that you have to pay for), and games that heavily support the controller.

Almost...

For me, that's why I'll buy it. I'll have another console (likely the 360) to play the latest graphical powerhouse games. I'm sure there's also a sizable population who don't need to spend 2-3x as much as a Revolution to get "better graphics", and will buy it to play games that may also be available on PS3/360 with better graphics.

 

[jvd]

Again, to the select "disappointed" Nintendo fans....the sooner you accept the reality the better. If you're hoping for "phenominal grapics power", the Revolution isn't going to be it. This doesn't mean Revolution can't or won't be a great console. But if you judge a console's greatness by graphics power, you're going to have to look toward MS and Sony to fill that particular desire.

I don't really care about the graphics or having the best of them I should say . But for me I want zelda and mario with new graphics . I want to see a huge improvement over windwaker and the new one coming out .

I want to play these games with next gen graphics . So i will be disapointed. I will stli lbuy it and play the classics and the new games. But I was hoping for a bigger jump than this

 

[ERP]

Before I start I have zero hard data on revolution, so I'm assuming the article is accurate.

The issue for me is the memory, it's potentially a huge issue when cross developing PS3/X360 games.

IMO It's extremly likely it'll be treated as a current gen platform getting Xbox and PS2 Ports vs getting PS3 and X360 ports.