Revolution Tech Details Emerge ( Xbox1+ performance, 128 MB RAM )

[pc999]

This picture disagrees with you.

WTF is that? , not a standard thing (joystick) that all dev would like to dev as prymary control I am certain.

 

[dubyateeeff]

A costum ~970FX0 (58M)+a costum X1300 (-100M) would kill it (even a gekko at 2ghz with a VMX+9600) and would be really cheap, plus it is needed to process all the data from the remote so even more power is needed.

Doesnt the controller basicly transmit a 3d position in space, say 60 times/sec. How hard would that be to map directly to a character in 3d space when a console usually handles tons of 3d positions?

I dont think it is much worse than pressing both analog sticks, the d-pad and a few buttons on a PS2 or 4 Dual Shocks in the same way. Or is it?

 

[mckmas8808]

beats me . I'm sure nintendo has the controller and its ideas patented . So i doubt they have to worry about theft

Guys think!! It's the analog stick that Nintendo did first that was then used for the Playstation after the Playstation was launched.

If MS or Sony really wanted Nintendo's controller tech they could create it in a different way and then pack it into every console sold.

*Also think of the vibrating feature that N64 used first that was then used for the Playstation controllers.

 

[Synergy34]

Guys think!! It's the analog stick that Nintendo did first that was then used for the Playstation after the Playstation was launched.

If MS or Sony really wanted Nintendo's controller tech they could create it in a different way and then pack it into every console sold.

*Also think of the vibrating feature that N64 used first that was then used for the Playstation controllers.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Sony added the sticks to the DS first.
Or did Nintendo show the 64 controller, then Sony stole it and put them on the DS before the 64 was released??

 

[fulcizombie]

If they price this for more the 99.99$ Nintendo is done finished in the concole market, the 360 will be down to 200$(core) by then and the PS3 will be breathing down thei nech. I mean if you have a bunch of cash and walk into Best Buy what areyou going to buy a PS3 or a Rev without high definition?

I can't belive people are surprised by this news, Nintendo will just keep falling farther and farther behind Sony and Microsoft until they become a 3rd party console and handheled hardware\software developer. How does anyone expect them to compete or even come close for that matter with Sony or M$ on the console hardware front they doni't have the pockets for R&D or to take huge risks like M$ or Sony it's just common sence.

Hey I hvae a Gamecube and the Mario's,Zelda's Metroids ect but alas I woin't b buying a new Nintendo unless it supports HD, not going back to 480i\p after owning a 360.

You are correct.In fact you are the first to point out the obvious......the fact that the revolution will probably have competition from the core xbox360 in the "200$" price range if nintendo decides to price the rev. at 199$(as rumored).

People always talk about how the revolution will have a huge price advantage taking into consideration the launch price point of the premium xbox360 whiile "forgetting" that by the end of 2005 the core xbox360 will cost 199-249$ and it will have an onslaught of UE3-powered games(gears of war,mass effect,too human e.t.c) at that time games that iof the rev. has 128MB of ram won't be able to even aproach from a graphics' perspective.

So that "price advantage" doesn't seem like a big advantage to me unless the rev. costs 99$ at launch.

 

[jvd]

Sega added the anlog sticks first .

The saturn nights pad came out first .

The problem is , did anyone use anlog sticks before that ? I'm pretty sure they did and i'm pretty sure the ideas behind it are the same for the normal joystick in the arcade

 

[Teasy]

Answer this, how many games used PS1's analog stick? How many N64 games used it?

Not that its even the same thing of course..

 

[pc999]

Doesnt the controller basicly transmit a 3d position in space, say 60 times/sec. How hard would that be to map directly to a character in 3d space when a console usually handles tons of 3d positions?

I dont think it is much worse than pressing both analog sticks, the d-pad and a few buttons on a PS2 or 4 Dual Shocks in the same way. Or is it?

I am not the best person to ask but this kind of control will certeinly require more power as it can do infinite combinations based in both space and time.

Th DS never saw great suport till PS2 (standard).

 

[jvd]

You are correct.In fact you are the first to point out the obvious......the fact that the revolution will probably have competition from the core xbox360 in the "200$" price range if nintendo decides to price the rev. at 199$(as rumored).

People always talk about how the revolution will have a huge price advantage taking into consideration the launch price point of the premium xbox360 whiile "forgetting" that by the end of 2005 the core xbox360 will cost 199-249$ and it will have an onslaught of UE3-powered games(gears of war,mass effect,too human e.t.c) at that time games that iof the rev. has 128MB of ram won't be able to even aproach from a graphics' perspective.

So that "price advantage" doesn't seem like a big advantage to me unless the rev. costs 99$ at launch.

there is more than just that .

Software price also plays a part as does acessorys .


Anyway the rev will have all its features working out of the box . No need to buy a memory card or a hardrive . Which will affect its price. The rev will have wireless controllers default .

So there are still price diffrences. That is if they are both at 200$ . Of course its sony that will have the biggest problem if both ms and nintendo have a 200$ console and sony has a 300-400$ console

 

[c0_re]

My god, you really don't have a clue do you? Have you ever seen a Nintendo financial report?, or a Sony one for that matter. If you think that Sony have much deeper pockets then Nintendo then you obviously haven't..

I don't care how much money Nintendo says they have banked away, their market share has\is been erroded GREATLY this generation and now with the PSP to compete with they are only falling further and further behind, not to mention in the comming years the Japanese economy is slowly being sufficated by China and other low cost Asian markets.

I mean they lost out big to Microshaft for god's sake a first time console manufacturer that 90% of the non 3rd world population hates


Gimmics and fancy controllers will only fool people for so long. When kids see a rev hooked up next to a 360 running on an HDTV people will be like......huh?

Hey I was once a loyal Nintendo fan but my GameCube collects dust along with my broken PS2, but to think they have a chance of ever being #2 much less #1 in this industry is just foolish, the console industry will not support 3 consoles forever and neither Microsoft or Sony will ever back down.

 

[jvd]

even while loosing market share they made more money on thier console than either ms or sony .

So they don't have a thing to worry about untill they stop making profits .

 

[mckmas8808]

So there are still price diffrences. That is if they are both at 200$ . Of course its sony that will have the biggest problem if both ms and nintendo have a 200$ console and sony has a 300-400$ console

If Nintendo and MS have $200 consoles and Sony's PS3 is $300 that will NOT be a problem at all. People are use to $300 new consoles.

 

[Bobbler]

When was the first price cuts on PS1, PS2, Xbox, GC, N64, etc?

I think its a bit early to be speculating a 200 dollar Xbox360 core within a year of release -- I think it might even be a bit early to expect a price cut at all within the first year.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

If Nintendo and MS have $200 consoles and Sony's PS3 is $300 that will NOT be a problem at all. People are use to $300 new consoles.

I have to agree with JvD here. First of all, I don't see PS3 launching at $300 (unless there is more than one SKU.) Do you honestly think it will be that price?

If the following scenario happens (in the U.S. at least) next x-mas:

1) Revolution launching for $150-$200
2) Established 360 Core for $200-$250
3) Established 360 Premium for $300-$350
4) PS3 launching for $350-$450

It could very well be a much tougher than expected season for Ps3.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

I think its a bit early to be speculating a 200 dollar Xbox360 core within a year of release -- I think it might even be a bit early to expect a price cut at all within the first year.

$200 certainly is not a given.

However, I would consider it a given that the core and premium units will be cut by at least $50 by next x-mas.

 

[c0_re]

even while loosing market share they made more money on thier console than either ms or sony .

So they don't have a thing to worry about untill they stop making profits .

Yes RIGHT NOW they are making money, what about 5 years from now when the PSP(or whatever Sony sells next) over takes them and the Rev looses even more market share.

Don't get me wrong I don't want this to happen, Sony drives me nuts as a company I've had to work with them personaly in the technology field and to be honest I'd rather someone poke me in the eye with a hot burning stick but they are a huge powerful company with lots of revenue to make things happen, if they can lean themselves up alot\cut the fat and learn how to write software they potentially be a serious force to recon with and many levels.

 

[mckmas8808]

I have to agree with JvD here. First of all, I don't see PS3 launching at $300 (unless there is more than one SKU.) Do you honestly think it will be that price?

If the following scenario happens (in the U.S. at least) next x-mas:

1) Revolution launching for $150-$200
2) Established 360 Core for $200-$250
3) Established 360 Premium for $300-$350
4) PS3 launching for $350-$450

It could very well be a much tougher than expected season for Ps3.

Please Joe stop the crap. If you think the 360 Core can be $200 next holiday season, then you should acknowledge that it is possible for the PS3 to launch at $300.

 

[Guden Oden]

Sega added the anlog sticks first .

The saturn nights pad came out first .

They SOLD a pad first merely because they had their console out already and Nintendo had not, but Nintendo had at that point been working with analog sticks for years, all through the creation of Mario64, so they weren't first from that sense. Tacking on a crappy analog stick (rotating ball design sucked) onto nights for some on-rails flying sillyness doesn't count as being first...

 

[pc999]

Please Joe stop the crap. If you think the 360 Core can be $200 next holiday season, then you should acknowledge that it is possible for the PS3 to launch at $300.

Remember 200+ memory card.

 

[mckmas8808]

Remember 200+ memory card.

Sorry I don't understand your post pc999. Can you explain more please?

Thanks.



And more info from MATT!!

Whoa baby. I should put an end to some speculation before it runs out of control.

Tonight's article will be a continuation of last night's. Satoru Iwata has not personally delivered us the full spec breakdown. Nintendo doesn't want to talk specs and I don't think anything we do will really change that.

That said, devs do have official documentation and it has been directly quoted to me over the phone.

Tonight, we'll talk a bit more about CPU / GPU power. We'll also have a clarification on RAM. (And before you go thinking that we messed up and it has 512MBs, think again -- it's the other way.) And we'll reveal the real DVD capacity. That 12GB stuff was completely bogus.

Devs also speculate on a price point.