Revolution Tech Details Emerge ( Xbox1+ performance, 128 MB RAM )

[c0_re]

If they price this for more the 99.99$ Nintendo is done finished in the concole market, the 360 will be down to 200$(core) by then and the PS3 will be breathing down thei nech. I mean if you have a bunch of cash and walk into Best Buy what areyou going to buy a PS3 or a Rev without high definition?

I can't belive people are surprised by this news, Nintendo will just keep falling farther and farther behind Sony and Microsoft until they become a 3rd party console and handheled hardware\software developer. How does anyone expect them to compete or even come close for that matter with Sony or M$ on the console hardware front they doni't have the pockets for R&D or to take huge risks like M$ or Sony it's just common sence.

Hey I hvae a Gamecube and the Mario's,Zelda's Metroids ect but alas I woin't b buying a new Nintendo unless it supports HD, not going back to 480i\p after owning a 360.

 

[mckmas8808]

In general, I agree that you expect a certain lv of graphics, but I think Nintendo is going to break this way of thinking. The reason is quite simple, PRICE. Of course I have no idea what that will be but if N wants to stay around the Rev will have to be priced way lower that the 360 and PS3, based on console tech. 200 at the most, but I believe they will enter at 150 and include the controller along with a demo disk to show what it can do.

Gimmicky games, that may be right on the money looking at the controller. However, the cost to make games on the Rev may be pretty low. I honestly think there is a good chance Rev games will come in under 50 dollars. Gimmicky or not, I doubt we will pay top dollar for them so who cares what they are, as long as they are fun!

I've been down on Nintendo for awhile now, but I think(and hope) I see what they are doing here. If I'm right they will create a whole different market for themselves to dominate. The Rev being underpowered takes them out of direct competition with MS and Sony. They will lower development costs for most games put out on the console and probably will save a few smaller developent houses because of it.. Think about it, they probably will be able to make a game full of Mini-games at low cost and charge 29.99 for it. The possiblities are endless. A short sport type games would be cool, Mini-Golf game would be easy as hell to make, or a Duck Hunt type remake, stuff like that.

Point is, if you pay 150 bucks for the Rev will you care if there is no HD support? Or it's graphical power is only a step above the XBox? I'm just as disappointed as anyone, but this thing could work out OK.

Price didn't help the Gamecube, which was launched at $199.

 

[pc999]

I agree with Synergy34 price and game producton cost is/should be fulcral in their stratedy, but even with the components that jvd described they could put it at 99$ and blow a souped up XB.

No HD, or simple using light,shadows,water... effects can add a lot to gameplay (think in MP with D3 shadows) and still a lot cheaper to do instead of HD high detail normal/paralax maping, even more can be said about CPU power.

Gfx will be almost unimportant but that point is beyond a souped up XB IMO.

(anyway it would be very sweet a powerfull 99$ console and 29$ games, I still have some hope for games at that price).

 

[jvd]

Price didn't help the Gamecube, which was launched at $199.

Hard to help something that was already 10million plus units behind


This time from what we can see the rev will launch within 6 months of the ps3 and only a year away from the xbox 360 . I'm sure it will do much better .


The big draw with everyone i've talked to is the old nes and supernes . Once i tell people about that , they light up and ask when the system is coming out .

The rev is going to have a huge amount of cheap tripple a games on launch day

 

[Teasy]

I can't belive people are surprised by this news, Nintendo will just keep falling farther and farther behind Sony and Microsoft until they become a 3rd party console and handheled hardware\software developer. How does anyone expect them to compete or even come close for that matter with Sony or M$ on the console hardware front they doni't have the pockets for R&D or to take huge risks like M$ or Sony it's just common sence.

My god, you really don't have a clue do you? Have you ever seen a Nintendo financial report?, or a Sony one for that matter. If you think that Sony have much deeper pockets then Nintendo then you obviously haven't..

 

[pc999]

Price didn't help the Gamecube, which was launched at $199.

GC is almost equal to XB/PS2 but less online/multimedia features, basicaly a console for Nintendo games only, nothigh more .

Rev will be very different

 

[mckmas8808]

GC is almost equal to XB/PS2 but less online/multimedia features, basicaly a console for Nintendo games only, nothigh more .

Rev will be very different

No it won't. Xbox 360 has Media Extender support. The PS3 has Blu-ray and a HDD that will have Linux on it. Nintendo only has games. Rev will not be that different in that department.

 

[Synergy34]

Price didn't help the Gamecube, which was launched at $199.

Cube has nothing to do with what's going on right now and what the Rev will have to offer.

 

[darkblu]

Here's what I posted on GAF regarding the news (grammatical and proof reading errors retained for authenticity):

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actually, AlphaSpartan, i don't know how many times in total you an i have shared the same opinion on these boards, but this time you've pretty much hit the nail on the head from my POV. the video games enterntainment business has sunken into so much hype, marketing drivel and bull manure, that it is way past the point of making sense, it actually is on its way of turning into a cars resale type of market. gigaflops flying left and right, vertex and pixel shader configurations, bandwidths, etc. are mumbled by everybody and their dog, without (in 99% of the cases) actually having the slightes clue what the fcuk they're talking about, how that works, what and why it is/isn't relevant to this or that in a video game. believe me, reading your average gaming/console forum is a bewildering experience for a game developer (b3d still making somewhat of an exception) - it leaves you with the schizophrenic desire to laugh and cry at the same time. video games, once considered a form of art by many, are now falling victim to the status quo of modern society, where the least valued quality of the individual is his ability to think for himself.

 

[Teasy]

No it won't. Xbox 360 has Media Extender support. The PS3 has Blu-ray and a HDD that will have Linux on it. Nintendo only has games. Rev will not be that different in that department.

Yes it will, he's talking about distinctive gameplay to set it appart from PS3 and XBox 360 (which GC didn't have).

 

[mckmas8808]

actually, AlphaSpartan, i don't know how many times in total you an i have shared the same opinion on these boards, but this time you've pretty much hit the nail on the head from my POV. the video games enterntainment business has sunken into so much hype, marketing drivel and bull manure, that it is way past the point of making sense, it actually is on its way of turning into a cars resale type of market. gigaflops flying left and right, vertex and pixel shader configurations, bandwidths, etc. are mumbled by everybody and their dog, without (in 99% of the cases) actually having the slightes clue what the fcuk they're talking about, how that works, what and why it is/isn't relevant to this or that in a video game. believe me, reading your average gaming/console forum is a bewildering experience for a game developer (b3d still making somewhat of an exception) - it leaves you with the schizophrenic desire to laugh and cry at the same time. video games, once considered a form of art by many, are now falling victim to the status quo of modern society, where the least valued quality of the individual is his ability to think for himself.

That dark is what I call a rant. Your problems with the videogame world is the same reason why Acert left B3D. Videogames are NOWHERE near as bad as you are making it seem. Most casuals don't even know what's going on with half of the stuff that you just posted. Lighten up a little, it's all good.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yes it will, he's talking about distinctive gameplay to set it appart from PS3 and XBox 360 (which GC didn't have).

What's stopping MS from stealing the idea? What's stopping devs from creating distinctive gameplay with the Eyetoy2? What's stopping gamers from people from liking the eyetoy?

 

[Synergy34]

What's stopping MS from stealing the idea? What's stopping devs from creating distinctive gameplay with the Eyetoy2? What's stopping gamers from people from liking the eyetoy?

Not everybody has an Eyetoy. They don't waste money creating a feature that most of the market will never use.

Why I REALLY hope Sony includes the Eye Toy with the PS3 this gen.

 

[pc999]

I what I mean is that with GC there is only a few 1 &2 party games (ie MP,Zand few more, almost no (eg) FPS ...) to play the rest of them it is better to play on the others consoles as you get online, 5.1, DVDs movies ... at he same price (game) so if a person dont like MP/Z ... more than other games why would you buy a GC? Simple one dont buy a GC.

Now you can have a good answer about Rev: innovative games, many more exclusive games (some moddified ports I expect too) , free online, better controls (eg FPS), Nintendo classics at demand, lower prices, arcade like games (virtua cop like, basebal, tennis ...), things yet to know ...there is a lot of reasons to buy a Rev instead/or as a second console this time around besides Nintendo franshises.

Edit: teasy got it

 

[mckmas8808]

I what I mean is that with GC there is only a few 1 &2 party games (ie MP,Zand few more, almost no (eg) FPS ...) to play the rest of them it is better to play on the others consoles as you get online, 5.1, DVDs movies ... at he same price (game) so if a person dont like MP/Z ... more than other games why would you buy a GC? Simple one dont buy a GC.

Now you can have a good answer about Rev: innovative games, many more exclusive games (some moddified ports I expect too) , free online, better controls (eg FPS), Nintendo classics at demand, lower prices, arcade like games (virtua cop like, basebal, tennis ...), things yet to know ...there is a lot of reasons to buy a Rev instead/or as a second console this time around besides Nintendo franshises.

I totally understand those reasons. They are VERY valid. But besides Nintendo, who will make all those great games to play on the Revolution?

 

[pc999]

XB can never steal the control and have sucess as it will never be standard.

I really hope sony put a Eyetoy (I hope nintendo to do that too), it only would be good to gaming in geral.

Besides they got a lost of 3 partys dev attention from EA, Ubisoft, Kojima, Gearbox...

Edit Mark Rein said we would love to get a DevKit too

 

[mckmas8808]

XB can never steal the control and have sucess as it will never be standard.

This picture disagrees with you.

 

[Teasy]

What's stopping MS from stealing the idea? What's stopping devs from creating distinctive gameplay with the Eyetoy2? What's stopping gamers from people from liking the eyetoy?

A time machine.. The console is out now, unless MS are going to quickly make this controller and pack it in with every new console from now on then it will not be the same thing. As for Eye toy, it won't allow the same kind of gameplay as Revolutions controller.

 

[Teasy]

What exactly is that picture supposed to be then?

 

[jvd]

What exactly is that picture supposed to be then?

beats me . I'm sure nintendo has the controller and its ideas patented . So i doubt they have to worry about theft