Revolution = "paradigm shift"

[hovz]

thing is, ps2 has the cartoony games. it has them ALONGSIDE the mature games. theres rly no reason to buy a gamecube over a ps2. im glad the sales reflect that.

The sales data (and reviews) of many Nintendo games would disagree. But what are "facts" when you can troll

yes, considering the biggest gamecube games are lucky to get anywhere even close to 1 million, i can see your point. metroid prime sold what, 400k in 2 months? and that was like their best game of the holiday season. halo sold what...... over 4 millions? thats more than every gamecube game released in the 4th quarter of 2004 combined. good point tho dude.

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The fact Nintendo is making a lot of money is an indication that there is a reason to own their console. I honestly feel bad that you are so anti-Nintendo that you are missing out on games like LoZ: Wind Waker, RE4, Pikmin 1/2, Metroid Prime 1/2, Paper Mario, Viewtiful Joe 1/2, Eternal Darkness, SSB Melee, F-Zero, Animal Crossing, Super Monkey Ball 2 (my wife loves this game), Mario Power Tennis , and so forth. And if you liked Mario64, Super Mario Sunshin is even great. And with games like Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader and Wave Race for $10-15 online, well, that is a lot of cheap fun.

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zelda was great, especially on nintendo 64, than they turned it into a video game version of the power puff girls which i have no desire to play.

re4 is a tired remake of a tired series with new graphics.

pikimin 1 is a great game, havent played 2.

metroid prime is a great game, havent played echos yet.

paper mario is a lackluster carbon copy of the n64 version just bumped into higher res. its also about as cool as sleeping with your blanky.

viewtiful joe 1/2 are available on ps2, with a better controller.

eternal darkness is an RE clone.

ssb melee is a great game, probably the only game other than fzero nintendos released for the gamecube that improved on its n64 original.

fzero is a great game, see above statement.

animal crossing was fun and original on the nintendo 64. unfortunatly its pretty much unchanged for the gamecube.

havent played super monkey, but heard good things.

mario power tennis, another rehash sequel of the n64 version newer graphics, falls under the same category as mario kart DD.

mario sunshine doesnt hold a candle to mario 64. it pales in comparison to the platformers available on ps2.

rogue leader has amazing graphics, and shows that gamecube is a technically capable system, unfortunatly i got tired of the basic flight gameplay by the 4th n64 starwars game. dont need 4 more on the gamecube that offer nothing new over the n64 games.

waverace was a huge letdown for me, again nothing new over the n64 version except better graphics.

this is exactly my problem with nintendo, rather than pushing gameplay forward, or trying to further their franchises, they have done nothing but pump out rehashed garbage for the entire life of the gamecube, actually even simplifying their games. its fucking disgusting. what a departure from nintendo 64 which was the reason i even started playing video games. i remember walking into walmart cuz my mom had to pick up a few things, and seeing mario 64 and being completely blown away. same happened for the likes of pilot wings, wave race, star fox, rares games, zelda, blast corps and it goes on and on. the games were incredibly fun and had all sorts of new gameplay dimensions i had never seen on the playstation or saturn. sonys entire console lineup after nintendo 64 released was almost all just games copying what nintendo was doing. the only thing missing from nintendo 64s lineup was rpgs. that was easily the best system ive ever owned. to this day no games have ever hit me the way the games on nintendo 64 did.

nintendo has totally lost touch with this generation of gamers. you keep pointing out how much money they are making, but look how much their sales are declining every year. lets put it this way. had the gameboy not been such a sucess this generation, where would nintendo be from a monetary standpoint. they arent making as much money off of gamecube as youd like to make people think. the majority of it comes from the handheld market. i hope sonys psp or whatever its called mops the floor with the gameboy and ds. maybe that will jumpstart nintendos ass into gear and give them a clue that the majority of gamers dont want to play their simplified gigly big eyed so cartoony and lame u could find it on pbs while ur babysitting a 2 year old who can relate to the game more than u can garbage.

 

[ninelven]

In respsonse to original topic: slot loading DVD drive!

/apologies

 

[GwymWeepa]

This talk of a paradigm shift has me worried that Nintendo once again refuses to give gamers what they really want.

 

[one]

This talk of a paradigm shift has me worried that Nintendo once again refuses to give gamers what they really want.

Since NDS is a smash hit right now it seems Nintendo HQ is unstoppable and can implement whatever they want. Actually, Nintendo could increase the R&D budget because of the NDS hit.

 

[cthellis42]

Since NDS is a smash hit right now it seems Nintendo HQ is unstoppable and can implement whatever they want. Actually, Nintendo could increase the R&D budget because of the NDS hit.

And so they have.

 

[jvd]

jvd how can u possibly compare sonys lineup to nintendos. sonys is so much more impressive it isnt even funny. sony has so many great original and quirky games that u will never find on a nintendo system. they have every single category covered with at LEAST a handful of great games. cant say the same for nintendo.

Nintendo has the better first party line up .

Nintendo doesn't use childish gore and prositution to sell its big games .


Its a shame in this day and age the system with the higher quality games is not the system that is leading in the generation .


But then again this is a world that let jackass , married by america , the littlest broom and a bunch of other crap on the air and it got good ratings , So i should expect the same crap to sell on consoles too .

 

[Bohdy]

Hovz, your points have NO validity and I or anyone not as thoroughly biased as you could rip them apart if it we didn't know that it would just lead to more trolling.

Can someone ban this fellow? His post count may be impressive but not less so than his ignorance. There is a place for people like you and it is called the Next-Gen Gaming board @ Gamefaqs.

 

[Miksu]

eternal darkness is an RE clone.

Ok, that's so far from true that it isn't even funny. But go on..

 

[Teasy]

hovz

re4 is a tired remake of a tired series with new graphics.

Please explain to me how Resident Evil 4 is a "tired remake"?? What exactly is it a remake of? Basically I think your either confusing the game with RE1 or you just have no clue what so ever what your talking about when it comes to RE4.

eternal darkness is an RE clone

I second Miksu here, please explain your thinking behind this. The only way in which they are similar is that they're both gorey, have monsters and sections of the game are based inside a mansion. Other then that Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness are nothing a like.

 

[London Geezer]

jvd how can u possibly compare sonys lineup to nintendos. sonys is so much more impressive it isnt even funny. sony has so many great original and quirky games that u will never find on a nintendo system. they have every single category covered with at LEAST a handful of great games. cant say the same for nintendo.

Nintendo has the better first party line up .

Nintendo doesn't use childish gore and prositution to sell its big games .


Its a shame in this day and age the system with the higher quality games is not the system that is leading in the generation .


But then again this is a world that let jackass , married by america , the littlest broom and a bunch of other crap on the air and it got good ratings , So i should expect the same crap to sell on consoles too .

Now now, ok you have your prefeerences and we respect that, but it's not like every game coming out of Sony has decapitations and prostitution. It's ONE series. Out of all the hundreds of games on PS2. Give them a break. Saying that is on the same level of saying Nintendo is kiddy. Or that MS are... Dont know, i dont think people cared enough to find a comment like those about them.

 

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Its a shame in this day and age the system with the higher quality games is not the system that is leading in the generation .

Quality (as in how well something is made) is only one condsideration though. You have to be interested in something in the first place to be bothrered about something's quality. This is where Nintendo are failing themselves in the home market. It's why they need third parties, but they don't seem to grasp this ([edit]or maybe they do, but have decided to go for a large slice of a small pie rather than a smaller slice of a pie that they think may not actually end up much bigger[/edit]).

But then again this is a world that let jackass , married by america , the littlest broom and a bunch of other crap on the air and it got good ratings , So i should expect the same crap to sell on consoles too .

Dirty Sanchez is much funnier!

 

[Evil_Cloud]

This is where Nintendo are failing themselves in the home market. It's why they need third parties, but they don't seem to grasp this ([edit]or maybe they do, but have decided to go for a large slice of a small pie rather than a smaller slice of a pie that they think may not actually end up much bigger[/edit]).

Two logical reasons why the share of third parties on GameCube is smaller than on PlayStation 2 or Xbox.

First of all, the userbase is smaller than that of PlayStation 2, and about equal to that of Xbox. Many software is released on PlayStation 2 because that's where most money can be made for third parties, it's the largest potential market.

Secondly, on GameCube, software sales are dominated by Nintendo first and second parties. Almost all the (multi-) million sellers are Nintendo titles, or titles that come from third parties that co-operate with Nintendo very closely (Capcom, Sega,...).

Microsoft has very few first and second party developers in comparison, and offers therefore a bit more potential for third party sales, along with Microsoft's (financial) efforts to obtain titles.

 

[hovz]

hovz

re4 is a tired remake of a tired series with new graphics.

Please explain to me how Resident Evil 4 is a "tired remake"?? What exactly is it a remake of? Basically I think your either confusing the game with RE1 or you just have no clue what so ever what your talking about when it comes to RE4.

eternal darkness is an RE clone

I second Miksu here, please explain your thinking behind this. The only way in which they are similar is that they're both gorey, have monsters and sections of the game are based inside a mansion. Other then that Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness are nothing a like.

whats does RE4 have that wasnt in RE1 besides new art assets? its just like doom 3. same EXACT gameplay with new graphics.

eternal darkness plays virtually identically to resident evil. eternal darkness is to RE what crash bandicoot cart racing is to mario kart 64.

 

[London Geezer]

Will you ever stop winging and whining?
My god you've posted 4 pages worth of "RE4 is crap because because and because!" on this an other threads.
We get it! You don't like it! You know what you can do about it? DON'T BUY IT!!

 

[Evil_Cloud]

hovz

re4 is a tired remake of a tired series with new graphics.

Please explain to me how Resident Evil 4 is a "tired remake"?? What exactly is it a remake of? Basically I think your either confusing the game with RE1 or you just have no clue what so ever what your talking about when it comes to RE4.

eternal darkness is an RE clone

I second Miksu here, please explain your thinking behind this. The only way in which they are similar is that they're both gorey, have monsters and sections of the game are based inside a mansion. Other then that Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness are nothing a like.

whats does RE4 have that wasnt in RE1 besides new art assets? its just like doom 3. same EXACT gameplay with new graphics.

eternal darkness plays virtually identically to resident evil. eternal darkness is to RE what crash bandicoot cart racing is to mario kart 64.

Sure... Believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[Teasy]

You really have absolutely no idea on this subject hovz. Why even comment on something if you can't even be bothered to read a review? Or at least read some of the comments on this very forum.

First Resident Evil 1 and 4

Res Evil 1 has pre-rendered backgrounds, Res Evil 4 has all realtime graphics.

Res Evil 1 has a fixed camera, Res Evil 4 has a proper camera with control over your own view.

Res Evil 1 has no real aiming, just bottom, middle and top (aim at feet, stomach or head). Res Evil 4 has full precision aiming so you can fire anywhere you want.

Res Evil 1 has fairly simple enemy reactions, that's all that's needed since you can only fire in 3 area's. Res Evil 4's enemies react differently depending where you hit them. Shoot them in the foot and they'll fall and be crippled. Hit them in the shoulder and they'll grab the wounded shoulder, hit them in the knee and they'll limp, and so on.

Not to mention stuff like no zombie's, no umbrella corporation, no t-virus ect ect. Res Evil 1 is a standard clunky RE survival horror (a good one but standard stuff for the series never the less). Res Evil 4 is a third person action-survival horror. New camera view, new enemies, new gameplay, new weapons and more. They are actually quite different games!

Now Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness:

Eternal Darkness has full and easy control over the movement of the character so you can go in any direction just by pressing that direction on the stick. Nothing like Res Evil 1's controls which are based on turning with left and right and walking forward with up.

Eternal Darkness allows sword fights and is very focused on magic attacks as well as guns, again nothing like Resident Evil 1 which is just about guns. I'm not even going to bother continuing. Basically it would be quicker for me to list the similarities between the games since there are so few.

Either read some reviews of these games (or even better play them) or just stop posting.

 

[see colon]

at least the xbox has them.

[in regards to xbox having no japaneese rpg's and few lightgun games and the gc having no lightgun games]
show me one decent jRPG on the xbox and i'll buy it twice. the xbox has a weak rpg library, even compared to the weak rpg library on the gc, and gets totaly trounced by the ps2.

Um... Why the heck would they have that attitude?

[in regards to nintendo not allowing lightguns to be made for their systems]
video game violence was a hot topic in the US when mortal kombat was released for snes and gen, thanks mostly to (D)sen. joe lieberman. nintendo was trying to get away from this squeeky clean with their bloodless version of the game, and some rumors pointed twords the whole fiasco being somewhat orchestrated by nintendo to hurt sega's sales. sega's rebuttal involved them creating a rating systems (pretty similar to the ESRB we have today in the US, but with differant names for the ratings. nintendo reportedly wouldn't use the sega system and went with an "industry approved" one), and pointing out that nintendo manufactures a bazuka for the snes (super shot).
long story (and rumors) short, it's joe lieberman's fault.

Now now, ok you have your prefeerences and we respect that, but it's not like every game coming out of Sony has decapitations and prostitution. It's ONE series.

well... it's more like one genre now. games like true crime, dead to rights, and the getaway have very similar "mature sexual content". there are a slew of games with decapitations (bloodrayne, mortal kombat, pop:ww, and too many others to list here) and now that i think about it, games like playboy:the mansion, leisure suit larry: mcl, and the guy game would never be made for a nintendo system even if there was a market for them. sex=bad, violence=ok if it makes money

whats does RE4 have that wasnt in RE1 besides new art assets?

well, it doesn't have zombies, umbrella corp, live action cut scenes, or the t-virus. and it has a totaly different story, new monsters, you can drive a boat, and you get to play with a purple controller with a big red button.

 

[cthellis42]

Eternal Darkness was all about its story. It actually succeeded in being complex, interesting, imaginative, and offer a good variety of viewpoints and play boards. Its gameplay was made a bit simpler and different to go along with it.

Resident Evil 4 is basically all about much improved and polished gameplay and graphics. More action-based but still feels more like a survival-horror game than a Devil May Cry. The story, however, was as lackluster and shruggable as always. But then, I never ask that of an RE. Hehe...

 

[London Geezer]

Resident Evil 4 is basically all about much improved and polished gameplay and graphics. More action-based but still feels more like a survival-horror game than a Devil May Cry. The story, however, was as lackluster and shruggable as always. But then, I never ask that of an RE. Hehe...

Devil May Cry felt very drag queen to me. Not sure if that's a clear image, but it was so cheesy it kept reminding me of drag queens. Queer Eye for a Straight Guy kind of feeling.
RE4 shouldn't have that effect, somehow.

 

[Kolgar]

I keep hearing people say Nintendo should be on top because they have the "highest-quality games." First of all, that's a tired line straight from the mouth of Howard Lincoln, former head of NOA. Second of all, "high-quality" is a very subjective thing. And lastly, "high-quality" is only one part of the puzzle.

Sony has shown that to succeed in this business, you also need "high quantity." Because customers want CHOICE.

For the past two generations, Nintendo has not given consumers enough choice. They have continued to pump out game after game of Mario and Zelda, and for whatever reason, their commitment to third parties has taken the form of more lip service than anything.

And sorry, but Nintendo deserves its kiddy image. Just because the games are family friendly and "fun for everyone" doesn't mean they'll appeal to your average 16-29 year old.

I mean, look what Nintendo has done. Their flagship games this gen are the same as they ever were: cute, colorful, cartoony. Heck, they even moved further in that direction by redesigning Link to look like a little cartoon girl - clearly not what Zelda fans wanted.

And they think this stuff will be a hit with middle schoolers, or even grade-schoolers these days?

Hell, no. With peer pressure the way it is, there's no way on earth kids today will admit to playing Mario Sunshine or even a great game like Super Monkey Ball. Not when their peers are jacking cars and banging prostitutes over on PS2.

If you think Nintendo's "purple lunchbox" design takes some heat here, on these forums, can you even imagine the ridicule it takes out there on the playground?

And these kids, they're Nintendo's primary demographic. They always have been.

Nintendo needs to wake up and realize that this isn't the 80s anymore. Times have changed. Kids have changed. The game industry has changed. The longer they keep hitting 'Snooze,' the more market share competitors are going to take from them.