Rare to commit corporate suicide in sale to MS

[Geeforcer]

I'm 30+. you are the kiddy.

LOL - what a great way to demonstrate that age has nothing to do with maturity.

BTW, "30+"? Do you put "Date/Month/1962+" or "Date/Month/62-72" whenever you have to fill out a form?

 

[linthat22]

Did I miss something? Since when did systems become age oriented? I thought that if the games were fun, then that's all that mattered.

 

[Logan Leonhart]

So, I take it that in order to be mature and prove that you´re a gamer you HAVE to love Nintendo? News to me. If someone actually finds Doshin, Cubivore, Pikmin and AC interesting, more power to them, but I just want more from my games.

BTW, I´m not "cool" and I´ll never be, and all I would get for bragging about DMC where I study would be a blank stare (I live in Mexico). So, nope, coolness is not why I enjoy my PS2 the most.

 

[archie4oz]

Since when did systems become age oriented?

Since people have tried to use age to make a point...


One thing I'm wondering since people keep mentioning Golden Eye and Perfect Dark, IIRC didn't most of the staff that worked on those titles leave Rare for Free Radical?

One other thing, what's with the whole Pokemon/kiddy thing? Damn when I was at Uni when it came out in Japan, it was all the rave with university and high-school students and didn't really become popular with 'kids' until the anime series came out.

 

[Blade]

Logan: Nobody has to love anything.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about half the time though. 75% of the time, you post inaccurate assumptions about Nintendo games. You probably don't even know the gameplay details for the games you mentioned 'dere. That's the problem.

 

[Logan Leonhart]

I´m talking about appeal, and those games just don´t appeal to me, not gameplay details. The mere concept just prevents me from being interested in them.

When I said "I want more from my games" what I meant is that I want a good story, action based on more mature subjects, a compelling atmosphere, if possible a musical score performed by an orchestra, characters I can relate to or that have a certain "attitude" that I like, something more akin to a work of art that delves in darker themes.

I´m just not interested in the concept of Doshin, Cubivore and AC....and I can´t force myself to like them. 100% gameplay just doesn´t do it for me, I demand more than that. And it´s not like Nintendo makes those games with my age-group in mind anyway.

 

[Ozymandis]

Ingenu, I think it's fine that you're an older Nintendo fan. But I'm sure you don't assume that most Nintendo fans are like yourself, yes?

I'm 30+. you are the kiddy.

LOL - what a great way to demonstrate that age has nothing to do with maturity.

BTW, "30+"? Do you put "Date/Month/1962+" or "Date/Month/62-72" whenever you have to fill out a form?

 

[Blade]

Logan: Your age group theory is another misconception.

Thanks for explaining your video game preferences though. You're definitely an RPG fan!

 

[bryanb]

Did I miss something? Since when did systems become age oriented? I thought that if the games were fun, then that's all that mattered.

Nintendo caters to a younger audience than xbox and Ps2. Why is there any debate on this subject? This is like Fact #1 in the console industry.

Fact #2 is that Nintendo's family friendly games can be enjoyed by adults simply because they are such good games.

Back to the subject at hand: Rare's impending implosion at the hands of a possible sale to Microsoft. We all know that family friendly games that are not sports games sell like sh*t on the xbox. On the other hand, the GameCube family friendly market is established and thriving. Luigi's Mansion in the US sold over 700K. Super Monkey Ball sold around 300K. Pikmin sold very well. Sonic sold 500K. StarFox adventures will sell VERY well.

Look at the pathetic xbox. A quality game like Jet Set Radio Future only sold 75K.

If Rare were to stay within the GameCube fold they would be guaranteed to sell games and make money. However, the expansion of the xbox market to include family friendly games, which Rare specializes in, is a large unknown. Its impossible to say if xbox userbase will ever expand beyond its current adult oriented segment.

Clearly the xbox is in a far back 3rd position in both Japan and Europe. Again, this simply ads to risk involved in this gamble for RareWare.

Even if the Stamper Brothers want out of the gaming business, would they throw their company into such a high risk situation? Surely they realize that in a few years after failed games that had no chance of succeeding in the xbox market place, Microsoft would very likely liquidate most of the original studio.

 

[zurich]

Perhaps, but if I see Battle Toads on Xbox I'm buying it

 

[wazoo]

Perhaps, but if I see Battle Toads on Xbox I'm buying it

You'll never see it from Rare. They do not have the licence anymore.

Ingenu, I think it's fine that you're an older Nintendo fan. But I'm sure you don't assume that most Nintendo fans are like yourself, yes?

Of course not, but that would be the same mistake that saying that all Nintendo gamers are kids.

BTW, "30+"? Do you put "Date/Month/1962+" or "Date/Month/62-72" whenever you have to fill out a form?

Am I not supposed to do this ?? No surprise I never succeed to buy anything on the net

I was not thinking I was supposed to be extremely accurate to show that some adults do play Nintendo console despite Johnny does not want to see them.

 

[DemoCoder]

JSRF was a quality game visually, but I didn't find "collect paint cans, spray walls" very fun. It got monotonous after awhile. And was the plot of the game really "family friendly"?


X-Box owners will buy family oriented titles if they are fun. If someone makes something like SuperMonkeyBall for the x-box, it will probably sell. Fusion Frenzy was "family friendly", but I think everyone can agree that it sucked balls.


Kung Fu Chaos looks to be a super-smash-bros type title. SSB has the advantage of having a name brand and being a sequel, but if KFC is fun, it'll take off, especially if it is playable over XBoxLive. If not, it won't.


I don't think the GC titles sold so much because they were family friendly. I think they sold alot because of brand awareness and because of their quality.

Just because a game is non-violent, doesn't mean people will automagically buy it.

 

[Magnum PI]

i'm all with wazoo..

i'm 30- (about 28.9)

the only current generation console thati would buy is the gamecube.

i don't care about compelling atmosphere, hi-def cut-scenes...

i just want to have fun with challenging games with good gameplay, replay value... i can even play with a monkey in a ball if it's fun..
it's gaming afterall !

for the great story, characters with an attitude, orchestral music etc.. i prefer to watch movies !

i don't like the idea of videogames becoming ersatz of movies..

 

[Teasy]

Yup, I'm an "immature boy" who "wants to play a cool adult game". Of course, I'm also 23 years old

If you think that age makes someone mature then your wrong.

I guess if you think those sort of games appeals to my age group, that's your opinion. I can't agree though. I just don't think many of my peers are interested anymore in what Nintendo first-party has to offer. None of the people my age that I know have Gamecubes, for example.

Ah the old "none of my friends my age have X console so that means nobody my age wants that console". I could then say to you that just about everyone I know that is my age is buying a GameCube, did you never think that maybe these little examples don't really mean anything considering people tend to be friends with similar people? As in a group of friends usually have similar tastes.

There's a big difference between thinking that Goldeneye was crap on the N64 and thinking that PD Zero will be good on the Xbox hardware. The main problem with Goldeneye was the crappy hardware it was running on.

Well you said Goldeneye made you laugh, as I said at the time show me a better looking FPS then Goldeneye in 1997.. if you can't show me something loads better looking then how can you possibly laugh at Goldeneye visuals? Then you say that in fact it was the slow gameplay and poor controls that made you laugh at Goldeneye, firstly again show me a console FPS in 1997 with better controls and any FPS in 1997 with better gameplay, secondly why are your looking forward to Perfect Dark 0 if you thought Goldeneye's gameplay was so bad? Why will its controls and gameplay be so much better? Face it you just didn't want to admit that Goldeneye was a great game, and now that you think Rare may go to XBox suddenly any potential Rare game is something your looking forward too and Goldeneye suddenly isn't so laughable.

So, I take it that in order to be mature and prove that you´re a gamer you HAVE to love Nintendo? News to me.

No, if you don't like some Nintendo games because you just aren't interested in that game that's fine, but if someone won't play a Nintendo game because they think its not cool and for kids, then I think that person will find that they still aren't a very mature person.

Nintendo caters to a younger audience than xbox and Ps2. Why is there any debate on this subject? This is like Fact #1 in the console industry.

PS2 has some of the most simple, most obviously kiddy games around. Most Nintendo games are made so that as many age groups as possible can enjoy them, basically so the game is available to all age groups. Just because some effort it put in to make those games enjoyable for younger people that does not make them made for younger people, because there is also effort put in to make the game enjoyable to older people. I think you'll find that the difference between most of Nintendo's games and a game made specifically for kids is that Nintendo games have a level of maturity that games made specifically for kids don't have.

for the great story, characters with an attitude, orchestral music etc.. i prefer to watch movies !

Yeah that a game is fun is the most important thing. Also while so far Nintendo haven't catered for the sort of game described above on GameCube much (although Eternal Darkness is great example of that and is a Nintendo first party game) those sort of games are catered for on GameCube by developers other then Nintendo. I mean its not as if the only dev who can make games for GameCube is Nintendo..

 

[Johnny Awesome]

I've stated before: the Xbox hardware (and the Cube for that matter) would be much more capable at doing Perfect Dark Zero than the N64 was at doing Goldeneye in 1997. Console hardware was not capable of reproducing a good FPS experience in 1997.

Once again for the record, I think that Rare did the best they could under the circumstances, but GE failed my litmus test for games. I'm sure that'll love playing Starfox on my Cube, as well as Kameo (wherever it ends up).

Listen Teasy, I'm sorry I dissed your favorite game, but I didn't enjoy Goldeneye. This doesn't mean I think that Rare is crap or that Perfect Dark Zero wouldn't work on more capable hardware with a good controller (Xbox/Cube).

 

[Ozymandis]

Arguing with Nintendo fans about the target audience of Nintendo games is like pounding nails up your nose. Well, they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so let's play a game-

Which of these games look like they'll appeal to an older audience:

or this:

or this:

or this:

Why is it so hard for some people to admit the obvious?

Not that there's anything wrong with playing games made primarily for children. Hell, I still watch and enjoy Disney movies

 

[Blade]

So once you reach 21, you must have dark themes.. and you must have blood, gore, and sex?

If there's nothing controversial, it's not going to appeal?

I swear, sometimes arguing with you is like pounding nails up my nose.

 

[Ozymandis]

So once you reach 21, you must have dark themes.. and you must have blood, gore, and sex?

If there's nothing controversial, it's not going to appeal?

I swear, sometimes arguing with you is like pounding nails up my nose.

I'm not telling older gamers what to play. You're just dodging my point, which is that generally, children tend towards lighter fare while adults tend towards darker stories with more adult themes. You see it in Hollywood movies, and the same holds true for video games today. Again, let me say that there's nothing wrong with playing children's games. If that's what you like, then more power to you... but you're the exception rather than the rule.


For the record, I think you can have a mature game without sex and violence. Take a game like Xenogears. It's not overly adult in content, but most kids aren't going to relate to the themes there.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

the kiddy audience thing is back, and as stupid as ever..
Nintendo fans like diversity, thinking they only like one kind of game
is stupid, if it were so, would goldeneye have sold a single unit?

 

[wazoo]

the kiddy audience thing is back, and as stupid as ever..
Nintendo fans like diversity, thinking they only like one kind of game
is stupid, if it were so, would goldeneye have sold a single unit?

GE was bought in 97-99 by future xbox owners, which wanted to show to Rare how wrong they were to stay with Nintendo