R580 ready for action! Finished and working!

russo121

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According to clubic.com http://www.clubic.com/actualite-22114-r580-termine-mea-culpa-de-dave-orton-sur-le-r520.html

This is babelfish translation:

"One learns at the moment that R580, successor of R520, have just returned from the factories of production of ATI in version taped-out, i.e. that the chip is finished and functional, and this of the first blow whereas it had been necessary not less than three attempts for R520. With the delay accumulated on R520, which shows three months of time well, ATI had time to make to floor its engineers on the changing of R520. Developed by a team different from that which conceived R520, R580 should be characterized by an architecture slightly different from R520. Although R580 can ready earlier than be envisaged, ATI will launch in first R520 and this October beginning. The commercial name of the chip is not yet known but obviously the Radeon mark will be preserved.

In an interview granted to a Finnish site the CEO of ATI, Dave Orton recognized the problems encountered with R520. This one indicated that after the successful development of Xenon in 90nm, graphics chip which equips XBox 360, ATI was trustful on the future of the R5xx family. The RV515 which aims at the entry of range and about which we spoke in a news preceding A besides also developped him at the point without the least problem. The RV530 and R520 are for their part born in the pain. Dave Orton indicate on their subject: "Although simulations all carried out seemed correct there were no badly problems with the first chips when they returned from the factory. We were also surprised that the RV515 and RV530 however conceived by the same team and manufactured in the same factory give different results "

Dave Orton also states that the use of the 90nm on all the new family of graphics chips comes from the initial success of Xenon which gave confidence to the teams of ATI for a total migration of the manufacturing processes. Last year for example ATI had chosen the 110nm that on certain chips, preserving the 130nm for others. Chairman and managing Director of ATI concludes that today the results of R520 and RV530 seem excellent what indicates a very good placement gone in term of performances and quality for this autumn when they are available..."
 
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I'll be a nice guy and make a real translation :smile:
clubic.com said:
We've just learned that the R580, the successor to the R520, very recently came back from ATI's production factories in its taped-out version, that means the chip is completed and functional, and this on the first time when the R520 took no less than 3 tries to get right. With the accumulated delay of the R520, more than 3 months actually, ATI has had the time to move engineers on its refresh. Developped by a different team than the R520, the R580 should distinguish itself by a slightly different architecture than the former chip. Even though the R580 could be ready earlier than expected, ATI will launch the R520 first in early october. The commercial name of the chip is not yet known but the Radeon brand will apparently be kept.

In a recent interview to a finnish website, the CEO of ATI, Dave Orton, acknowledged the problems encountered with the R520. He indicated that after a successful development of Xenon on 90nm, the graphics chip of the XBox 360, ATI was confident in the future of the R5xx family. The RV515 which targetted the entry level market and of which we spoke in an earlier article has also been made without any problem. On the other hand, the RV530 and R520 were born in pain. Dave Orton indicated on their subject "Even though the simulations seemed perfect, there were a fair bit of problems with the first chips when they came back from the fab. We have also been surprised that the RV515 and RV530, although designed by the same team and for the same factory, gave different results."

Dave Orton also said that the usage of 90nm in all of the upcoming GPU lineup came from the initial success of the Xenon which gave confidence to ATI's teams in a full migration to this production process. Last year for example, ATI had gone for 110nm on some chips while keeping 130nm for others. The president and CEO of ATI concluded today that the R520 and RV530's results seemed excellent and that this indicates they will have a very good market position in terms of performance and quality when available this fall.
Enjoy.

Uttar
 
dont mean to crash the party but the R520 taped out info was done back in holidays of 2004, yet here we are. So im not sure that means much. I still dont think we'll see the R580 until Nvidia releases the successor to the G70.
 
SugarCoat said:
dont mean to crash the party but the R520 taped out info was done back in holidays of 2004, yet here we are. So im not sure that means much. I still dont think we'll see the R580 until Nvidia releases the successor to the G70.

IMO the tapeout of R580 came after the success of getting the R520 right. I think we should be prepared to what ATI has to deliver us - R580 will be without doubt the new king of the hill, and I don't think Nvidia will have an answer by then (because probably G70 Ultra will come to fight R520 and not R580).
 
russo121 said:
IMO the tapeout of R580 came after the success of getting the R520 right. I think we should be prepared to what ATI has to deliver us - R580 will be without doubt the new king of the hill, and I don't think Nvidia will have an answer by then (because probably G70 Ultra will come to fight R520 and not R580).
I don't think you can authoritatively state this. The 7800gtx actually surprised quite a few folks, and who knows maybe NV will have something else up their sleeve as well. I don't really care though I want a mainstream part anyway now.
 
russo121 said:
IMO the tapeout of R580 came after the success of getting the R520 right. I think we should be prepared to what ATI has to deliver us - R580 will be without doubt the new king of the hill, and I don't think Nvidia will have an answer by then (because probably G70 Ultra will come to fight R520 and not R580).


except it holds in it a problem with the product release. R600 is on a Q4 2006 track, whats ATI going to use to buffer the area between the R520 and the R600 against the NV50 if the R580 is indeed going to be put against the G70. After all the G70 did carry with it the NV47 codename, so one can pretty easily assume that the NV50 is problably well underway to completion and Nvidia is planning on a repeat hard launch spring next year. You think ATI would take the big chance of going from Spring 2006 to winter of 2006 on one core and betting its going to best Nvidia? I dont. The design might be finalized but i think they have alot of works to do with clocks and speeds, its most likely going to be the first card with GDDR4.

R520 v G70
R580 v G70 successor

rather then

R520 v G70
R580 v G70 Ultra or simple higher clock refresh
?? v G80/NV50
R600 v ??
 
In my completely uneducated (and somewhat optimistic) opinion, it seems extremely likely that ATi is going to try to get the R580 out the door as fast as reasonably possible. I don't think they'd want to risk blindly pitting it against nVidia's next gen offering. That seems like it would be a path straight to disaster. On the other hand, having it as a somewhat early refresh will net them that nice, shiny, performance crown for a while.
 
How long does it typically take for a card to get released from tape-out? This is assuming, of course, that it is a successful tape-out with no further problems ATi hasn't foreseen.
 
Karma Police said:
How long does it typically take for a card to get released from tape-out? This is assuming, of course, that it is a successful tape-out with no further problems ATi hasn't foreseen.


~5months
 
SugarCoat said:
Wasn't ATi recently touting 6-7 months from tape-out to MP, mostly due to the increased turn-around times of newer processes?

Then again, what seems to be making the rounds isn't tape-out news, but rather that ATi has already recieved first silicon a while ago, so you can probably substract a number of months from that tape-out/MP period already and the time to market now solely rests on the number of respins the chip might need to get it up to speed/yield/binsplits and into mass production.
 
incurable said:
Wasn't ATi recently touting 6-7 months from tape-out to MP, mostly due to the increased turn-around times of newer processes?

Then again, what seems to be making the rounds isn't tape-out news, but rather that ATi has already recieved first silicon a while ago, so you can probably substract a number of months from that tape-out/MP period already and the time to market now solely rests on the number of respins the chip might need to get it up to speed/yield/binsplits and into mass production.


well its variable, it depends alot on what they change in the PCB and what kind of memory is available or planned for as well.
 
A revision of the R580 taped out?
That's definitely worthy of a few pages made of unrelated speculations!


A R580 tape-out is definitely news worthy, don't get me wrong, but hardly conducive to anything else.
No one, because of this news, can conclude positively that R580 is # weeks away from launch. Actually no one can conclude or predict anything about Ati products lately.
 
Dave Baumann said:
Its a shame these reports are wrong.
you're not going to tell us whether it's the R580 part, the R520 part, or some combination, are you? I'll go out on a limb and say the R580 part, since that seemed shockingly clear for Dave.
 
Dragon Puppy said:
Is clubic.com talking about this finnish article? http://www.soneraplaza.fi/tietokoneet/artikkeli/0,2998,h-9112_a-303085,00.html

(I linked to an english version)

The interesting bit in that interview from Orton I thought was this:

"I can tell you that we’re hitting stock engine speeds never seen before in this industry."

Incidentally, my best information is that R580 taped in late spring of this year. The same information also states that R520 taped in November, which concurs with what Orton said in this interview.
 
caboosemoose said:
The interesting bit in that interview from Orton I thought was this:

"I can tell you that we’re hitting stock engine speeds never seen before in this industry."

That one gave me pause. . .then I thought, "Mmm, does that just mean it is higher mhz than X850XT? I mean, 'duh'!" So, am I missing something?

Don't get me wrong, Orton really did sound confident in a backward looking way (i.e. rather than 'We *think* we got it this time').
 
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