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Dave really does need to start using more <spoiler> tags.compres said:
russo121 said:
It is really conusing when they write things like this, do they have actual chips now (in that case the chip actually taped-out around three months ago) or has the R580 just taped-out (in that case they wont have any silicon before november).
Maybe what are trying to say is that the final production chip has taped-out, not just the initial prototype - in that case we could see retail availebility late this year.
phenix said:
The partners rarely produce the boards themself, they buy complete boards (most likely produced by Saphire or Ati) and slap on a sticker (plenty of the Ati branded boards are actually made by Saphire). Anyway I expect that the R580 is pin compatible with the R520 so new board designs is most likely not needed. Plus I expect that Ati wants to move the R520 to a lower price point when the R580 is released not cancel it.
The R520 delay does mean a very compressed launch-plan for Ati, we will see the R520, R580 and R600 and a bunch of low-end and mainstream parts within the next 15-18 months.
Now it seems that R520 it's a "FANTASTIC CHIP":
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http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050830_205000.html
"ATI's R520 silicon "fantastic" - sources
By Wolfgang Gruener, Senior Editor
August 30, 2005 - 20:50 EST
Chicago (IL) - After weeks of delay, final silicon of ATI's next graphic chip generation, code-named R520, apparently made it through the production line. According to sources, quality and performance of the chip exceed initial expectations, allowing the company to announce serious competition for Nvidia's 7800 GTX possibly in a matter of weeks.
Nvidia may be sweeping the high-performance graphics market with its seventh generation GeForce, but ATI made significant strides in preparing its next graphics chip and is likely to set new records in graphic performance. Credible industry sources told Tom's Hardware Guide that the R520 may debut with clock speeds in the range of 700 MHz and a completely redesigned graphics architecture.
Compared to 7800 GTX, our sources claim that the R520 can best Nvidia's performance and image quality levels in any scenario. Nvidia recently came under fire with accusations that the company uses "driver cheats" for its 7800 series to increase frame rate performance on one side but sacrifizes image quality on the other. While we have to wait for the final product to verify itsactual capability, ATI may have in fact a chip in its hands that could force Nvidia to release a new flagship for its 7800 series.
Ahead of the R520, ATI is expected to to release its Crossfire dual graphics support. Several vendors told Tom's Hardware Guide that motherboard designs are finalized and that the industry at this time waits for ATI to officially introduce the technology. Crossfire boards are expected to be priced about 5 to 10 percent below SLI boards."
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Nothing to add but just another reference
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050830_205000.html
"ATI's R520 silicon "fantastic" - sources
By Wolfgang Gruener, Senior Editor
August 30, 2005 - 20:50 EST
Chicago (IL) - After weeks of delay, final silicon of ATI's next graphic chip generation, code-named R520, apparently made it through the production line. According to sources, quality and performance of the chip exceed initial expectations, allowing the company to announce serious competition for Nvidia's 7800 GTX possibly in a matter of weeks.
Nvidia may be sweeping the high-performance graphics market with its seventh generation GeForce, but ATI made significant strides in preparing its next graphics chip and is likely to set new records in graphic performance. Credible industry sources told Tom's Hardware Guide that the R520 may debut with clock speeds in the range of 700 MHz and a completely redesigned graphics architecture.
Compared to 7800 GTX, our sources claim that the R520 can best Nvidia's performance and image quality levels in any scenario. Nvidia recently came under fire with accusations that the company uses "driver cheats" for its 7800 series to increase frame rate performance on one side but sacrifizes image quality on the other. While we have to wait for the final product to verify itsactual capability, ATI may have in fact a chip in its hands that could force Nvidia to release a new flagship for its 7800 series.
Ahead of the R520, ATI is expected to to release its Crossfire dual graphics support. Several vendors told Tom's Hardware Guide that motherboard designs are finalized and that the industry at this time waits for ATI to officially introduce the technology. Crossfire boards are expected to be priced about 5 to 10 percent below SLI boards."
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phenix said:
"Something" like, sure. Tho note that depends on the $599 price point being more or less permenant at this point, and given the rapid price fall of 7800GTX without an Ultra to replace it at that price, I consider that an open question still at this point.
History would also suggest at least two R580, for yield purposes, so if they can hang on to that $599 price point, R520 still doesn't start until the $399 price point, with an XL at $299, and then midrange around $250.
Tho, if they go that route, probably what I'd expect to see is R520XT retired after a short life, and R520XL as the "hanger on" from that generation, much like they sort of got started in that direction with X800XL. Yields/availability/margins/pricing would drive that kind of thing.
geo said:
Can someone tell me what they're going to use next year if they launch the R580 immediatly? Cause im really confused as to what they will use with the R600 in a Q4 2006/Q1 2007 release plan. Personally i think its time to stop thinking about the R580 getting launched immediatly and seeing that next year and more realistic that its going to be an R520 PE going against a 7800Ultra. I think we can all agree that the 7800 Ultra will not be 32pipes but the same G70 only with pushed clocked, so why is it totally outa league to assume the R520 cant push its clocks as well to create something that equals it.
Lets face it, the PE and Ultra names, clock wise, havent been way over their little brothers, the GTs or the XTs. But both companies dont have these cards in their launches currently. So why are people assuming two things:
the R520 core wont be able to handle an 7800Ultra without the R580...why?
and the 7800Ultra is going to be either changed in a way that its going to be a huge leap over the GTX, which i highly doubt. I just dont see it being realistic that ATI is going to have to fallback to the R580 for any reason. We have to wait and see how the R520 performs. If its above the 7800GTX even by a small margine, and an Ultra is launched simply with higher clocks, i think its very fair to assume ATI will launch a higher clocked R520.
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rwolf said:
Well, the 110nm G70 is still a very new chip, I wouln't hold you breath for a 90nm shrink of G7x - at the nigh end, at least.
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