R420 Hints from people under NDA!

[Bry]

All I am really saying, I am glad that this time is no long "Dustbuster" jokes and stupid cheating on benchmarks and other stuff.

Just think what will happen if NVidia came up short and was out of race.. ATI would be the only game in town and that means ATI can charge any price they want.. Do you serious want this?

It better for the customers if ATI and NVidia are neck and neck with performance - so there is no true winner. This will means that customers have a choice..

I personally choose NVidia for another reason. The support is better in Professional 3d graphics programs. I don't consider my self a <bleep> but one who has great success with NVidia cards on multiple machines.

Thats the point these gentlemen have been trying to make to you..R420 has yet to be released. Yet we already see NV's FUD campain of lies with the Farcry shots.. When R420 is released, And if it beats NV40..will NVidia return to their same old driver cheats and lies..The verdict is still out on that. And will be for a few moths..

 

[DoS]

Demo do you mean MAY be raising expectations too high or do you mean ARE raising expectations too high.

Just curious becaus I think you may be more in the know and I don't want to miss out on a good hint.

So...Democoder, you din't answer the question
They MAY or ARE ??

 

[Hellbinder]

This is great.

Threads like these are going to be soo soo classic in a wee bit more time.

I think i should save them all so i can bust out some Quick quotes on a few people later hehe

 

[kofman]

if the r420 doesn't support VS3.0 features, that would be worse for ATI. I have a feeling that their PS2.x won't support branching or anything that induces really poor performance.

But it seems more of the benefits of SM3.0 come from VS3.0 not PS3.0.

The programmable GPU seems really cool tho it is yet to be determined exactly how useful it will be... but new features are always nice.

 

[micron]

I think i should save them all so i can bust out some Quick quotes on a few people later hehe

The problem with that is, the jokers downplaying ATi in this thread, only joined for the launch-time antic's...and will quickly disapear once all the fun is over...

 

[Doomtrooper]

All I am really saying, I am glad that this time is no long "Dustbuster" jokes and stupid cheating on benchmarks and other stuff.

Well there should be jokes, this solution is even worse than the dustbuster..pumping 110+ watts of heat into your case. I will guarantee overheating will be a issue unless some AIBs change the cooling solution to vent outside.

 

[Killer-Kris]

I wonder if it's even working at all right now (current drivers do not support it).

It works. I've seen it in action.

So DemoCoder, do you have any idea when the rest of us are going to get to see this feature in reviews? I'm currently dying to know what the performance is against current top of the line CPU's, but none of the reviewers seemed to give any indication of when we'll get to see them demonstrate the functionality.

 

[McDusty]

This is great.

Threads like these are going to be soo soo classic in a wee bit more time.

I think i should save them all so i can bust out some Quick quotes on a few people later hehe

Yes - i recall looking back your "OMG Overdrive is going to rule the world" threads after the R360 launch. That was amusing!

Don't be offended - i mean that in the nicest possible way.

Kofman - I agree. VS 3.0 offers some serious improvements and it would be a grave mistake for ATI not to support it.

The general feeling is that they have VS 3.0 anyway, so nothing to worry about.

 

[DemoCoder]

I wonder if it's even working at all right now (current drivers do not support it).

It works. I've seen it in action.

So DemoCoder, do you have any idea when the rest of us are going to get to see this feature in reviews? I'm currently dying to know what the performance is against current top of the line CPU's, but none of the reviewers seemed to give any indication of when we'll get to see them demonstrate the functionality.

The box I saw it demonstrated on was running Linux with OpenGL drivers. I have no idea when DX for windows will support it. For me this was a doubly important demo, because I want my PVRs to be MythTV Linux boxes.

 

[martrox]

I think i should save them all so i can bust out some Quick quotes on a few people later hehe

The problem with that is, the jokers downplaying ATi in this thread, only joined for the launch-time antic's...and will quickly disapear once all the fun is over...

Dear God, make it so.........

 

[Snarfy]

Re: No indications of valid info on Rage3d

I am trying to see if ATI current cards can do what FarCry and Unreal 3 demos are showing.. I don't believe so.. In fact I doubt the R420 can do it without PS 3.0 support.

You are wrong, it can be done with PS2 (this is not a guess it is a fact).

Maybe true for FarCry - but unlikely for Unreal 3. Also what was shown with FarCry was PS 3.0 modifications.. some one post an image of FarCry on ATI to prove this wrong.

well, it wouldnt be much use trying to see if pixel shader 3.0 is currently on farcry because dx 9.0c isnt out yet, and the mod for far cry isnt public yet, so we dont know if it runs on a radeon...

posting a picture from a radeon is a moot point, but if you want me to, sure, here ya go:

those two on my 9800xt yesterday

edit : heres one from the rage3d forums, ps2.0

compared with these:

i'll let you guys decide =)

 

[micron]

I will guarantee overheating will be a issue unless some AIBs change the cooling solution to vent outside.

Overheating can be an issue with all card's these day's...and we all know how good your "guarantee's" are...

 

[DemoCoder]

This is great.

Threads like these are going to be soo soo classic in a wee bit more time.

I think i should save them all so i can bust out some Quick quotes on a few people later hehe

Last month it was ATI was going to OWN the NV40 hands down. Then it changes to "they'll be more or less the same". Then, "NV40 may have slight performance lead and features, but ATI will use less power and have better IQ" Now it's back to suggestions of ownership again and feigned gloating.


I have only one thing to say to such childishness:
Muahahah, my corporation is going to OWN your corporation. Muahaha! Hahaha. Feel it! I win! I am vindicated. Ahahahah! 16 pipes, yah---hooo!! Eat it beotch. Your mother wears combat boots with huge heatsinks! OWNED and PAWNED!

 

[Doomtrooper]

Democoder has come out of his closet too

 

[Sxotty]

This is great.

Threads like these are going to be soo soo classic in a wee bit more time.

I think i should save them all so i can bust out some Quick quotes on a few people later hehe

Yes - i recall looking back your "OMG Overdrive is going to rule the world" threads after the R360 launch. That was amusing!

At least he said he was wrong afterwards.

I know I too wanted to copy some of HB's more ludicrous quotes but I decided that doing that would be childish.

He is just the polar opposite of these people, but unlike them he will remain around afterwards

 

[Doomtrooper]

I personally would like to see customizable cards available and adjust the price accordingly from the get go from IHVs. Like different cooling solutions from loud for 'louder is better cowd' to totally silent heat pipe solutions.

 

[hstewarth]

I think we have to conclude that there people who like NVidia and there others that like ATI ( and others in small cases ).

I personal have a Top of Line 4600 for 8.x series and for for GFX, I settle on lower cost 5700 Ultra - because I did not see any benifits in the DX9 cards at the time. I have decided it would worth going to top of line NVidia for several reasons..

1. The specs on 6800 Ulra and PS3.0/VS 3.0 are very impressive
2. A lot of lightwave people recomend 59xx series and 68xx is even better
3. Consider drivers on all my render nodes.
4. I think it would be cool to play with NVidia SDK tools..

There are more reasons than games that people choose graphics cards. How ever I do also play games and good support for them would be very nice.

From what I saw in the reviews, the power issue with 6800 ultra is not that big of deal - I even saw a couple of reviews that the 9800XT use more power than the 6800.

People will make there own choice on cards.. but atleast now the line is thinner between the two venders.

 

[micron]

II personal have a Top of Line 4600 for 8.x series and for for GFX, I settle on lower cost 5700 Ultra

You upgraded to a 5700U from a Ti4600?!?!

 

[trinibwoy]

You just said NVIDIA is the KING and was bragging on how you had no idea ATI would compete what kind of choice is that for customers???

amazing.....simply amazing. a guy comes in here with a definite interest in technology and an obvious preference for Nvidia but without degrading ATI in any way, and Stryyder stomps all over him. Good job :?

Must have missed all his bragging...he even says that the best thing for everyone is for both companies to be relatively equal. It's a sad thing when somebody reads another person's opinion on a video card and reacts like they b*tch slapped his mother.

I like mermaids......

 

[reever]

Re: No indications of valid info on Rage3d

I am trying to see if ATI current cards can do what FarCry and Unreal 3 demos are showing.. I don't believe so.. In fact I doubt the R420 can do it without PS 3.0 support.

You are wrong, it can be done with PS2 (this is not a guess it is a fact).

Maybe true for FarCry - but unlikely for Unreal 3. Also what was shown with FarCry was PS 3.0 modifications.. some one post an image of FarCry on ATI to prove this wrong.

Um you do know that the unreal 3 engine is slated for debut in 2005/2006 right? It's a moot point in 2004