There's no legitimate reason for AMD to allow those issues to go unaddressed for the lifetime of the product, so one has to assume they will be addressed. Unless you're ridiculously pessimistic or simply dislike AMD, of course.
Question.HD2900XT or 8800GTS
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There's no legitimate reason for AMD to allow those issues to go unaddressed for the lifetime of the product, so one has to assume they will be addressed. Unless you're ridiculously pessimistic or simply dislike AMD, of course.
What's a better use of your time?
A) Wait around for fundamental issues to be fixed that prevent your enjoyment of gaming.
B) Replace the faulty product with one that allows you to enjoy gaming today.
The choice is simple. There's no legitimate reason for consumers to waste their time on those issues which are unaddressed. Unless you're ridiculously optimistic or simply love AMD, of course.
If they are in fact simply software bugs, AMD is ridiculously behind the G80 line. On the other hand, there very well could be serious hardware issues (flaws or bad design decisions) that no driver will ever really fix. I don't think that gambling ~ $400 is all that appealing. It's not like this is the old $90 Radeon 8500 LE underdog....
And you think the Geforce 8800 series didn't have any serious bugs in games 2 months into its life?
Last time I checked G80-based solutions *still* have serious bugs in multiple games across multiple OSes, albeit far less than shortly after launch.
My point is that as time passes these bugs have a tendency to get worked out. No sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
So $400 is worth spending in hopes this will happen? No way. The fact is that when you buy a product you want it to work, the fact is that if you buy one NOW the 8800 series is MUCH more likely to work correctly with the games you're going to play. That is why buying a 8800 is the safe bet currently, where as the X2900XT is a "hopefully they'll work out some major bugs... hopefully" $400 risk.
There's no "hopefully" to it, unless you believe the Catalyst team is incompetent, or think R600 is broken. If you think either, you are mistaken.
Its rather amazing how much you know, what position are you in to know this? How do you know something isn't broken? Its pretty amusing that you're able to basically promise that the R600 will some day get wonderful drivers and it'll be in happy land.
"Faulty product"
Driver issues don't mean the card is broken.
Software + Hardware = Product. You can not have one without the other. When either aspect of that mix has issues, it affects the consumer's experience.
So...
Yes. Faulty Product. It does not work as intended. Are you saying it is working as AMD intends it to?
We're talking about fixing bugs here. You think the Catalyst team will let major show-stopping bugs just exist indefinitely?
One important thing you fail to note in your equation is that the variable of software changes (for the better) over time.
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This is undoubtedly the case, but irrelevant..,
Well..actually it makes more sense than knowingly buying a very expensive card with bugged drivers and then hope these bugs will be fixed within a reasonable timeframe.
You want the card to work WHEN YOU BUY IT.
Peace.
There is a lot more to it than that. First you're assuming that the problem is a software issue and not hardware, while most may be that way I'm not so sure its the case to be honest. Also, there is much more that goes into bugs being fixed than simply the capability of the driver team. Management for one likely does a great deal of directing which bugs are fixed first, I'm not so confident in their abilities for wise thinking (source: Every ATi product since R420). I also happen to believe that ATi is hard at work on the next graphics card that this generation in the high end is simply a lost cause for them. Come this winter and rumors (and maybe a impending launch) of Nvidia's next generation will be putting a lot of pressure on ATi, who will be working on their next part and hopefully will be able to launch that with decent drivers. Which again will be the choice of management.
One important thing you fail to note in your equation is that time is money. So, I'll ask my question again.
What's a better use of your time?
A) Wait, hope, and pray to the gods
B) Enjoy gaming today
I most certainly do not spend my money to wait on hopes that if I'm lucky and blessed by the heavens then I'll maybe be able to play my games. I spend my money so I can play my games today. Not tomorrow. Not months from now. Not perhaps never.
Let me now begin to use your own logic to disprove your own points:
Now certainly you're not suggesting that the Catalyst team is incompetent and has put out drivers with such fundamental issues? If the problem lies in the software drivers and they're so great and competent at writing drivers, why did they put out such a steaming pile of rubbish in the first place? The only logical conclusion one can draw is that the hardware has the fundamental issues.
Q.E.D.
Hooray for debate!
Anyway, that last driver reinstall must've actually done something because i've noticed now that DiRT is extremely playable. I'm a bit of a purist so I only play from the bonet cam (or the inside if it's a particularly open rally track), and i'm seeing fantastic peformance. Fantastic as is never less than 40-50 fps, almost always sitting on 45 though. This is at 1280x1024, 2xAA (set ingame, naturally), and everything on High except Crowds and Reflections, both on medium. It's a whole new experience trying to play DiRT when it runs fast, but i'm getting used to it and it's mighty good fun. :smile:
I wonder if another restart was all my system needed to get into gear. I'm going to go try out some other games now...perhaps Oblivion wont be a stutter-whore like it was before
Anyway, that last driver reinstall must've actually done something because i've noticed now that DiRT is extremely playable. I'm a bit of a purist so I only play from the bonet cam (or the inside if it's a particularly open rally track), and i'm seeing fantastic peformance. Fantastic as is never less than 40-50 fps, almost always sitting on 45 though. This is at 1280x1024, 2xAA (set ingame, naturally), and everything on High except Crowds and Reflections, both on medium. It's a whole new experience trying to play DiRT when it runs fast, but i'm getting used to it and it's mighty good fun. :smile:
I wonder if another restart was all my system needed to get into gear. I'm going to go try out some other games now...perhaps Oblivion wont be a stutter-whore like it was before
Hooray for debate!
Anyway, that last driver reinstall must've actually done something because i've noticed now that DiRT is extremely playable. I'm a bit of a purist so I only play from the bonet cam (or the inside if it's a particularly open rally track), and i'm seeing fantastic peformance. Fantastic as is never less than 40-50 fps, almost always sitting on 45 though. This is at 1280x1024, 2xAA (set ingame, naturally), and everything on High except Crowds and Reflections, both on medium. It's a whole new experience trying to play DiRT when it runs fast, but i'm getting used to it and it's mighty good fun. :smile:
I wonder if another restart was all my system needed to get into gear. I'm going to go try out some other games now...perhaps Oblivion wont be a stutter-whore like it was before
I'm sorry, but you must be delusional. Don't you know the R600 is broken?
What the hell are you talking about? There are obvious flaws with the R600 experience, be it driver or hardware fault. Just because a problem cleared up in one game for one person its suppose to be clear evidence that everyone elses problems in many other games are going away as well? The fact is that in a sizable number of games the HD2900XT has performance issues. There is no way of getting around that. You also in no way can guarantee these issues will be fixed, while you make believe and try to phrase peoples words anyway you want its not going to change the facts.
Your assertion that these problems won't be fixed because they have yet to be is ludicrous, and you should well know it.
I'll try to spell this out for you one last time. Why waste your time waiting for a problem to be fixed when other products do not have the problem? Why? You have yet to provide anything close to a answer to this. I'm not claiming that these problems will never be fixed. But yes, I do consider you stupid if you're willing to wait and hope that a product will be fixed while the other product that is directly (and in most places cheaper) comparable offers the level of quality and performance you're hoping for...
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