PSP to 'outclass' PS2 graphically?
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Do we have to go through all this again, just because crapback has forgotten everything that was explained earlier...
Chap! see here....XBox.com
Xbox Video Game System
Xbox is Microsoft's future-generation Video Game System that delivers the most powerful games experiences ever. Xbox empowers game artists by giving them the technology to fulfill their creative visions as never before, creating games that blur the lines between fantasy and reality.
The Xbox console and controller are designed to capture the power and performance that Xbox will deliver and are based on the input of more than 5,000 gamers and games creators from around the world. Sleek and powerful in its look, in a rich shade of black, the Xbox console is emblazoned with a large "X" and a signature green Xbox "jewel" positioned in its center.
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An NVIDIA graphics processing unit (GPU), delivering more than three times the graphics performance of other consoles...??
Xbox Video Game System
Xbox is Microsoft's future-generation Video Game System that delivers the most powerful games experiences ever. Xbox empowers game artists by giving them the technology to fulfill their creative visions as never before, creating games that blur the lines between fantasy and reality.
The Xbox console and controller are designed to capture the power and performance that Xbox will deliver and are based on the input of more than 5,000 gamers and games creators from around the world. Sleek and powerful in its look, in a rich shade of black, the Xbox console is emblazoned with a large "X" and a signature green Xbox "jewel" positioned in its center.
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An NVIDIA graphics processing unit (GPU), delivering more than three times the graphics performance of other consoles...??
Deepak said:
Bolded no. 1: Explain to me whats wrong with that?
Bolded no. 2:
Explain again. Bolded no. 3: If you have an Xbox, you will agree that visually it looks pretty much better than PS2. Cannot quantify the 3X thing, but if PS2 was supposedly 25X DC, whats Xbox 3X of PS2?
For quirky quantifying sake:
- SC2 Xbox runs at 720p, with improved textures, AA and filter.
- SC2 PS2, maxed out as per said by Namco, runs at 480p with the usual PS2 image.
Seems like im back with the battle against the PS2 horde!
chaphack said:So what was explained earlier mr retardbit? Go take a look at real races and 3D cartoons like Starship Troopers and high quality 3D production like FFTSW or Finding Nemo!
What a stupid explanation to say PS2 does all that comparable.
prickhick, FFTSW an especially Finding Nemo are from a more recent, and technologically advanced era than PS2.
There are movies that are not as technically advanced as those examples, and PS2 can compare favorably with them.
Edit: If you cannot even see the difference between fantasy (ref. xbox marketing hype) and reality, then this is all pointless.
Lets be honest, look at Sony supercomputer CG renderer in a chip marketing vs MS blurs reality. Tell me which one is TEH hyperbola.
EDIT: No make that Genny vs Neogeo. Xbox just looks so much more vibrant that PS2.
Visually i can say, with all truth and honesty, that Xbox has 3X the visual quality over PS2. Its like SNES vs Neogeo. Technically, missed my SC2 point? The Namco team even said there are more room to go if they work ground up from the Xbox. How about Itagaki who said DOA2 was ported to Xbox in a month(or so) and it ran at 100 over fps.
EDIT: No make that Genny vs Neogeo. Xbox just looks so much more vibrant that PS2.
Well this should be easy ...
3D computer graphics (3DCG), true ... there are many forms of 3DCG, Halo2 = 3DCG, StarFox on SNES = 3DCG
66 mps, true ... no word about in-game promises
high-end graphics workstations, true ... think '99/'98, think workstation (SGI/Sun)+3D animation tools+not realtime-rendering
HDTV, true ... 480p, HDTV video-streaming >480(i|p) at E3 2003
VESA, true ... LinuxKit
I could understand that these quotes, could mislead a week minded or uneducated person.
(speculation|missing knowledge|wrong interpenetration|misleaded expectations)=the best basis for hype
6.2 GFLOPS/second, true
3D computer graphics (3DCG), true ... there are many forms of 3DCG, Halo2 = 3DCG, StarFox on SNES = 3DCG
66 mps, true ... no word about in-game promises
high-end graphics workstations, true ... think '99/'98, think workstation (SGI/Sun)+3D animation tools+not realtime-rendering
NTSC/PAL, ture
HDTV, true ... 480p, HDTV video-streaming >480(i|p) at E3 2003
VESA, true ... LinuxKit
true, rendering != realtime rendering
true, "in the past" = no fixed timestamp
I could understand that these quotes, could mislead a week minded or uneducated person.
(speculation|missing knowledge|wrong interpenetration|misleaded expectations)=the best basis for hype
Whatever Chryz, i had that arguement with Vince last time back. Not going over again. If you want, you can do a search for it. Just like in your Sony world kay! And be sure to wait for the SuperSuper Cell CPU, 1SUPERTTTFLOOOPS, 1000X the PS2, that surpass the silly Moore's Law.
chaphack said:
Chap, saying something 'blurs reality' means that it so closely imitates what's commonly percieved as the real world that the differentiation between them is very small - so small that it's "blurred" and can't be distinguished.
This means that the XBox's power would eclipse PS2's imaginary 'supercomputer CG' probably by several thousand orders of magnitude. (I don't know true world-sim requirements, but it would be huge).
Thus, MS's PR talk is alot worse than Sony's which has some grounding in that the GS does have raw specs higher than the common SGI workstations of the day.
Can you atleast attempt not to act like a dumbass all the time?
Or it could just mean playing a cool MMORPG or a game that is so immersive. Hey, i have always taken that MS did hype, Toy Story and that butch dancing girl. But Sony hype > MS hype. The promise of supercomputer CG rendering chip(more of a tech claims) in your home is more powerful than just a statement of blurring reality(more of a gameplay claims).
eg:
MS reality hype, is more like a Madden game saying, you can play as/against so and so, with true realworld detailed abilities and all, while Sony one is like saying, with our new technology, we can render the full reallife Madden dude in real.
Looking at Mr Rabid tone and post, you should know better who is the dumbass around.
chaphack said:
No, MS hype is that it's so real you can't tell the difference between the player in the game and the player in reality.
Chap, they all do PR. The only difference is that you hate Sony and for some off reason have this hard-on for them. Thus, everything they do which you don't (and even some things you probobly do) agree with, you'll magnify and exploit them as ways they've lied, or want to mislead, or want to sneak arsenic into the drinking water.
Sony is a Corperation whose sole reason for existsence is to produce a greater profit for it's shareholders. Don't get pissy because they're doing their job well - Microsoft does the same thing, they just happen to suck at the XBox part.
Then debate him on substance. Hell, make fun of him all you want in an opening parapgragh and then throw in the substance after. Just don't post in caps, like an idiot; for God-sake, don't put in all those icons; or don't write utterly nonsensical statements with the grammatical precision of a 5 year old who found a crayon. Besides, he gets (+1) for integrating his low-blows into his sentance structure.
No vince, i hate Sony because of their overflowous PR. MS PR is there, but Sony is worse.
Now look at this reality thing again:
Xbox empowers game artists by giving them the technology to fulfill their creative visions as never before, creating games that blur the lines between fantasy and reality.
Now if maybe MS have said something like "Xbox blah blah blah, you can display movie graphics that blurs reality and fantasy" then maybe it is bad like Sony with the CG at home shit. But it is not, they do not hype on as superficious as Sony.
As for Mr Rabid, whats there to debate substance with? He thinks Primal is comparable to old CG movie.... .... what more can i say to him but to take a look at the real stuffs he throws about?
Now look at this reality thing again:
Xbox empowers game artists by giving them the technology to fulfill their creative visions as never before, creating games that blur the lines between fantasy and reality.
Now if maybe MS have said something like "Xbox blah blah blah, you can display movie graphics that blurs reality and fantasy" then maybe it is bad like Sony with the CG at home shit. But it is not, they do not hype on as superficious as Sony.
As for Mr Rabid, whats there to debate substance with? He thinks Primal is comparable to old CG movie....
.... what more can i say to him but to take a look at the real stuffs he throws about?You didnt read my quote from official XBox site....
"Xbox is Microsoft's future-generation Video Game System that delivers the most powerful games experiences ever. Xbox empowers game artists by giving them the technology to fulfill their creative visions as never before, creating games that blur the lines between fantasy and reality."
Well then, maybe if you're deaf, dumb or blind, it can be said that xbox games blur the lines between fantasy and reality.
In my eyes, Primal's cut-scenes are comparable (animation and model complexity, not necessarily the multi-layered effects that movies use) to a low budget CG TV series, or PsOne era game FMV:s.
They do look better (technically) than FFVII full motion video.
In my eyes, Primal's cut-scenes are comparable (animation and model complexity, not necessarily the multi-layered effects that movies use) to a low budget CG TV series, or PsOne era game FMV:s.
They do look better (technically) than FFVII full motion video.
marconelly!
Veteran
Even if you could quantify microsoft's claims in that sentence (your real-life example shows such improvement, but what about other real-life examples, like MGS2 that *really* play to PS2 strengths?) having 3x better raw performance definitely does not make games 3X better looking, at least not to me. That is the issue you brought however, and I admit it's completely subjective.
Fantasy / Reality reference is just laughable, though... much moreso than any of the Sony's movie references.
Primal aside, you really don't think SH3 cut scenes are comparable to old CG movies? Keyword comparable. Show some older CG movies and SH3 scenes to your old folks and ask them if they think if it's "comparable" or not. I've tried that several times already with my wife and some friends - neither of them had any clue that graphics in SH3 weren't of the same kind as those in pre-rendered films. Not everyone is as sophisticated in these things as graphics whores who spend days and nights studying every graphics element in the existence...
You mentioned Starship Troopers 3D cartoon. There is no doubt in my mind that many technically illiterate people would think of SH3 cut scenes as better than that or simillar looking. Trust me, I have LOTS of experience with people like that, and they usualy weigh things differently than you'd expect them to.
