PS3 sales

Bobbler said:
50-200k units is an absurdly low estimation... NPD should show PS3 in the NA closer to 800k for 06 (maybe even before the required 10-20% NPD roundup).
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Fine, whatever you say. Despite your suspicions I'd be very happy to see a strong start to ps3, a world where it is either xboxlive or wii, is not one i relish.
So when does NPD come out?
 
Onlooker1 said:
Fine, whatever you say. Despite your suspicions I'd be very happy to see a strong start to ps3, a world where it is either xboxlive or wii, is not one i relish.
So when does NPD come out?
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What suspicions? I said I thought you were just mistaken and not being intentionally disingenuous... That doesn't change the fact that your numbers were completely absurd.

NPD numbers should hit the streets within a week or so.
 
There's at least one thing we can conclude from the CES announcements of MS and Sony - that both nexgenwars and vgcharts are completely unreliable. From now on I'll ridicule everyone I see quoting them :p
 
Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but as far as I can tell PS3 will only have these major exlusives in the first half of 2007: Motorstorm, F1, Heavenly Sword (and maybe Lair but I exepct a delay there). Not much of 3rd party support beyond multiplatform games either, as these are all 1st/2nd party games. Seems like publishers don't expect huge PS3 sales for the spring...
 
I don't keep track of game release schedule, but I am waiting for more info from Afrika and Naughty Dog. There should be more to come (When are the FFs due ?). I also wonder about Eyedentify (canned ?) and EyeToy in general.

Don't forget about Blu-ray movie viewing (Casino Royale, I missed the movie due to work and travelling). :p
 
Laa-Yosh said:
There's at least one thing we can conclude from the CES announcements of MS and Sony - that both nexgenwars and vgcharts are completely unreliable. From now on I'll ridicule everyone I see quoting them :p
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Or you could just use nexgenwars to get 360 sales, and vgcharts to get PS3 sales ;)
 
IMHO the posted NASDAQ quote seems pretty clear it is referring to the division overall, not the console hardware in particular.

Cheers
 
It appears PS3 supply is already beginning to outstrip demand:

With the 2006 holiday season firmly behind us, all "next-gen" consoles are out of the gate and running. Sony has announced that the company has shipped 1 million PlayStation 3 consoles and says that they are on track for their European launch in March. Now that the mad holiday rush is over, however, Sony's challenges are just now mounting.

Without a doubt, the PS3 launch was something to behold: news stories of insanely long lines, fatal shootings and occasional muggings made it clear that in the early days, getting a PS3 was darn near impossible. Many saw the PS3 as pure eBay gold. Reality has set in, however. Suddenly PS3 speculators can't unload their units on eBay for a profit. Gaming blogs have started joking that the PS3 excels at collecting dust on shelves. Has demand really died down that quickly? We decided to find out by checking stores in the Cincinnati and Boston metropolitan regions.

The results are unambiguous: the PlayStation 3 is in stock, almost everywhere. In Cincinnati, there were PS3s at multiple Wal-Marts, GameStops, and Circuit City stores. The numbers went from only one system at the first Wal-Mart store to 15 at the second; everyone else seemed to have under ten units, mixed between the 20GB and 60GB models. If you want to buy a PS3, it's simply a matter of going to the right store or ordering from Best Buy or Circuit City online, both of which have them in stock, ready to ship. The same can be said for the Xbox 360, which is also available everywhere we checked. The Wii, on the other hand, has been sold out everywhere, with vague rumors of another shipment in the next few days.

One retailer spoke to me on condition of anonymity, and broke down his version of the situation. "It's not that we've gotten more PS3s than Wiis, it's just that no one wants them. We've seen a few returned. We have four in the store right now," he said. He also told of people coming in with multiple systems and no receipts, looking for cash back after their eBay listings failed to gather attention. "If you told me that I would have PS3s to sell and that I won't be able to get enough Wiis back in October, I would have laughed at you," he went on. He also detailed a memo from a regional vice president telling managers to put up a hand-written note telling customers that the PS3 is in stock.

Without any clear numbers outside of the 1 million shipped in North America, it's hard to say if demand for the PS3 is cooling or if supply is simply catching up. Recall that it wasn't until spring was nearly here last year that Microsoft was able to meet the initial demand.

It's not the case that the PS3 isn't selling well, however. One store manager revealed that they have sold 24 of 28 launch units, and most others who would talk to us told similar tales. Sales are strong; they're simply not as strong as many expected and a few even hoped.

The rush for the PS3 is over, and now it's up to Sony to get the games and updates needed to put the PS3 back in the minds of gamers to move this inventory. This is a marathon, not a sprint, but the widespread availability has to be troubling to Sony. When the "sold out" stories quickly become "inventory stacked to the ceiling a month later" stories, shareholders may become somewhat unsettled by how strong the competition has become.
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070108-8574.html
 
It's kind of obvious to me that the demand before Christmas isn't going to be as high as after Christmas. But nelg is completely right - they don't all have to sell within a day, and I'm not expecting much more than double the sales of the 360 one year ago. However, in Europe, it's another story, and every PS3 that Sony doesn't have to ship to Japan or the U.S. will find a home over there. I'm fairly certain it will be a big hit here, with a great line-up for launch. With the current value of the Euro and a strong Playstation following, Europe has been ready for the PS3 for a long time, which is precisely the reason why so many have complained about the delayed European launch. But once it gets here with F1 looking awesome, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Resistance and Virtua Fighter, and Tekke:n:DR downloadable, there's going to be plenty of people who are ready for the PS3 (especially with HDtvs having done rather well this Christmas - I don't even have to look up numbers for that, I could tell in the stores and on the internet forums for HDtv). Remember also that HD DVD hasn't even launched here yet, but BluRay is available (Samsung used it to demo its HDtvs here and there) and will probably get a European relaunch as well. And at that point in time, the PS3 will be a very cheap BluRay player, among everything else.
 
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Arwin said:
It's kind of obvious to me that the demand before Christmas isn't going to be as high as after Christmas. But nelg is completely right - they don't all have to sell within a day, and I'm not expecting much more than double the sales of the 360 one year ago. However, in Europe, it's another story, and every PS3 that Sony doesn't have to ship to Japan or the U.S. will find a home over there. I'm fairly certain it will be a big hit here, with a great line-up for launch.
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It's obvious to me that PS2 would never have been sitting on store shelves less than 2months after launch with only ~750k sold through in NA. It certainly would not have had widespread availability like this. Now this may be due to massive PS3 shipments, but I highly doubt it.

I also believe the $600 pricepoint will be an even bigger hurdle in EU, which is even more price sensitive than NA.
 
scooby_dooby said:
It's obvious to me that PS2 would never have been sitting on store shelves less than 2months after launch with only ~750k sold through in NA.

I also believe the $600 pricepoint will be an even bigger hurdle in EU, which is even more price sensitive than NA.
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It's 499 euro and no it's not. While some parts of Europe are relatively poor, large parts of Europe are very rich. As an overall market, the two are comparable. Also, you can trust Sony to adjust the ration between the 20gb and the 60gb version accordingly (they announced this long ago, citing countries like Italy where they expect higher demand for the 20gb version, where countries like the U.K. and Germany will expect initial demand for the 60gb version to be higher. Neither is to say that only one of the two versions will be available, especially if Sony has enough capacity to supply both in fair quantities).

And let's not forget that Playstation is a much stronger brand here than it is in the U.S.
 
Arwin said:
It's 499 euro and no it's not. While some parts of Europe are relatively poor, large parts of Europe are very rich. As an overall market, the two are comparable.
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The biggest EU market is UK I believe, and PS2 couldn't maintain 299lbs for more than 10months before having to be cut by 33%.
 
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